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	<title>Comments on: Good Without God— How?</title>
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	<description>It's easy when you show them how.</description>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/256/comment-page-1#comment-96860</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Diane Booth

Just because you&#039;ve &quot;traveled to 17 countries&quot; and &quot;...have done...[your]... own research&quot; doesn&#039;t meant you aren&#039;t &quot;brainwashed&quot;.

We&#039;re ALL indoctrinated/brainwashed, etc etc, to some degree. Our parents do this, our society does this. It&#039;s the way our thoughts are formed based on how we&#039;re taught.

As the old saying goes, &quot;the map is not the territory&quot;. Unfortunately, our brains tend to forget this, and we get caught up in believing our perceptions ARE reality, rather than a representation/interpretation of reality.

I would venture, that if you could ask that neuroscientist which part of the brain forms the &quot;spiritual&quot; imagery, he could point you yo VERY significant work, and say explicitly which formation in the brain is the consistent root of such imagery. 

I would recommend you get a degree in neuroscience before you start spouting your own nonsense again. Just because most research isn&#039;t delineated in lay publications (newspapers/magazines) doesn&#039;t mean there&#039;s a lack of data and evidence. it just means most lay people are ignorant of the amount of work going on today, and the vast amount of data collected from many man-years of research.

You, however, do demonstrate a lack of knowledge on the subject, and an ignorance regarding the scientific method and the peer-review system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Diane Booth</p>
<p>Just because you&#8217;ve &#8220;traveled to 17 countries&#8221; and &#8220;&#8230;have done&#8230;[your]&#8230; own research&#8221; doesn&#8217;t meant you aren&#8217;t &#8220;brainwashed&#8221;.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re ALL indoctrinated/brainwashed, etc etc, to some degree. Our parents do this, our society does this. It&#8217;s the way our thoughts are formed based on how we&#8217;re taught.</p>
<p>As the old saying goes, &#8220;the map is not the territory&#8221;. Unfortunately, our brains tend to forget this, and we get caught up in believing our perceptions ARE reality, rather than a representation/interpretation of reality.</p>
<p>I would venture, that if you could ask that neuroscientist which part of the brain forms the &#8220;spiritual&#8221; imagery, he could point you yo VERY significant work, and say explicitly which formation in the brain is the consistent root of such imagery. </p>
<p>I would recommend you get a degree in neuroscience before you start spouting your own nonsense again. Just because most research isn&#8217;t delineated in lay publications (newspapers/magazines) doesn&#8217;t mean there&#8217;s a lack of data and evidence. it just means most lay people are ignorant of the amount of work going on today, and the vast amount of data collected from many man-years of research.</p>
<p>You, however, do demonstrate a lack of knowledge on the subject, and an ignorance regarding the scientific method and the peer-review system.</p>
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		<title>By: Acis</title>
		<link>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/256/comment-page-1#comment-94979</link>
		<dc:creator>Acis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 03:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing of much value here, just mainly agreeing with the humanist side of things.. 

Seems Althusius chooses to focus on defending himself more than providing constructive deliberation. That being said, The Golden Rule, as well as MANY other aspects of the &quot;almighty one&#039;s&quot; bible/doctrine is simply a repeat of the egyptian/other much older written and unwritten culture&#039;s religions, the worship of the sun/&quot;son&quot; all the way back to astrology.

 If anyone has seen Michael Tsarion&#039;s videos he has a quite lengthy (yet fact-filled and research-able) chapter on the origin of the &quot;modern day&quot; christian religion and explains how it is nearly entirely astrology, yet that is another story I won&#039;t ramble on more about here. 

Point being, if you seriously believe the bible you have and read today is the word of god and has never been manipulated or edited by humans (especially before mass-production or reproduction of texts was possible) you are quite gullible, I simply hope the peace of mind it gives you does not afford you to treat others in any manner that you wish to not be treated yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing of much value here, just mainly agreeing with the humanist side of things.. </p>
<p>Seems Althusius chooses to focus on defending himself more than providing constructive deliberation. That being said, The Golden Rule, as well as MANY other aspects of the &#8220;almighty one&#8217;s&#8221; bible/doctrine is simply a repeat of the egyptian/other much older written and unwritten culture&#8217;s religions, the worship of the sun/&#8221;son&#8221; all the way back to astrology.</p>
<p> If anyone has seen Michael Tsarion&#8217;s videos he has a quite lengthy (yet fact-filled and research-able) chapter on the origin of the &#8220;modern day&#8221; christian religion and explains how it is nearly entirely astrology, yet that is another story I won&#8217;t ramble on more about here. </p>
<p>Point being, if you seriously believe the bible you have and read today is the word of god and has never been manipulated or edited by humans (especially before mass-production or reproduction of texts was possible) you are quite gullible, I simply hope the peace of mind it gives you does not afford you to treat others in any manner that you wish to not be treated yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Ok, so you all know what atheists don't believe. Here's what they DO believe - Officer Resource</title>
		<link>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/256/comment-page-1#comment-94952</link>
		<dc:creator>Ok, so you all know what atheists don't believe. Here's what they DO believe - Officer Resource</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] how did we get here?&quot;), a lack of moral development (e.g., &quot;If there is no god, why should we be good?&quot;), or just a lack of imagination (e.g., &quot;Then what do you worship?&quot;). However, there [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] how did we get here?&quot;), a lack of moral development (e.g., &quot;If there is no god, why should we be good?&quot;), or just a lack of imagination (e.g., &quot;Then what do you worship?&quot;). However, there [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Gospel Truth</title>
		<link>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/256/comment-page-1#comment-86493</link>
		<dc:creator>The Gospel Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 11:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The number one error people make is in thinking that what MAN calls good - God also calls good. This is because we live in a humanist age where even religious people forget God should be the focus and not man. More here:

http://www.the-gospel-truth.info/can-we-be-good-without-god/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The number one error people make is in thinking that what MAN calls good &#8211; God also calls good. This is because we live in a humanist age where even religious people forget God should be the focus and not man. More here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.the-gospel-truth.info/can-we-be-good-without-god/" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-gospel-truth.info/can-we-be-good-without-god/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Secular Humanism &#171; I&#8217;m too cheap for therapy, and I&#8217;m smart enough to figure it out myself</title>
		<link>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/256/comment-page-1#comment-75518</link>
		<dc:creator>Secular Humanism &#171; I&#8217;m too cheap for therapy, and I&#8217;m smart enough to figure it out myself</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 03:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] rather than superstition. We recognize that some of the core ethical precepts (e.g., the &#8220;Golden Rule&#8220;) predate Christianity, and we do not see this as a problem. We apply reason and science in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] rather than superstition. We recognize that some of the core ethical precepts (e.g., the &#8220;Golden Rule&#8220;) predate Christianity, and we do not see this as a problem. We apply reason and science in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/256/comment-page-1#comment-59645</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 04:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Criminals do not live by the Golden Rule. They treat people the way nobody wants to be treated.

 To say that criminals treat people the way they want to be treated, and they just happen to want to be treated badly, is ignorant at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criminals do not live by the Golden Rule. They treat people the way nobody wants to be treated.</p>
<p> To say that criminals treat people the way they want to be treated, and they just happen to want to be treated badly, is ignorant at best.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/256/comment-page-1#comment-55641</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 19:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there; someone had linked to my discussion of a certain End of The World prophet over on foo.ca, and I had to stop by the forums to see what was up. Further poking around to discover what the audience of the forums might be lead me to your post here. 

Nicely put. I&#039;ve often argued that the whole of morality and all of the Good Bits of any religion can be distilled down to nothing more than &quot;respect each other&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there; someone had linked to my discussion of a certain End of The World prophet over on foo.ca, and I had to stop by the forums to see what was up. Further poking around to discover what the audience of the forums might be lead me to your post here. </p>
<p>Nicely put. I&#8217;ve often argued that the whole of morality and all of the Good Bits of any religion can be distilled down to nothing more than &#8220;respect each other&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ironwolf</title>
		<link>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/256/comment-page-1#comment-53413</link>
		<dc:creator>Ironwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diane,

&lt;blockquote&gt;That man needs a good GODSMACK in my estimation, and I wish I was given the opportunity to tell him so!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Um... yeah. No connection between religion and violence at all.

Right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diane,</p>
<blockquote><p>That man needs a good GODSMACK in my estimation, and I wish I was given the opportunity to tell him so!</p></blockquote>
<p>Um&#8230; yeah. No connection between religion and violence at all.</p>
<p>Right.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Booth</title>
		<link>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/256/comment-page-1#comment-53031</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane Booth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is societal and not individual &quot;mental illness&quot;&quot;.  Anyone can be driven to the point of wanting to simply let go of sanity when they are oppressed, constantly victimized, bullied and harassed by the politically correct. I watched a TV show here in Vancouver where the guest speaker was a neurologist/psychiatrist who claims to be a &quot;humanist&quot;. He didn&#039;t dismiss belief in God altogether, but it was implied that all spiritual and religious beliefs originate in one&#039;s own brain. He claimed that a certain part of the brain fabricates religious and spiritual thoughts which he claims develop into hallucinations, and then is carried on to the neighbouring portion of the brain which controls violent behaviour.
 
I wanted to call in but it was a &quot;captive&quot; audience. I wanted to ask the guy which part of the brain fabricates the kind of nonsense he spews? The audacity of anyone to believe they know what anyone else&#039;s brain is thinking! I&#039;d say that is delusions of grandeur and the ultimate insanity! That man needs a good GODSMACK in my estimation, and I wish I was given the opportunity to tell him so! After all, isn&#039;t &quot;humanism&quot; religious dogma in itself? It is a dictation of what the rest of us are supposed to believe, and I don&#039;t buy it! Don&#039;t say I am &quot;uneducated&quot; or &quot;brainwashed&quot; because I have traveled to 17 countries, including the former soviet union, have lived in many different areas, worked with people from all over the world, and have done my own research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is societal and not individual &#8220;mental illness&#8221;".  Anyone can be driven to the point of wanting to simply let go of sanity when they are oppressed, constantly victimized, bullied and harassed by the politically correct. I watched a TV show here in Vancouver where the guest speaker was a neurologist/psychiatrist who claims to be a &#8220;humanist&#8221;. He didn&#8217;t dismiss belief in God altogether, but it was implied that all spiritual and religious beliefs originate in one&#8217;s own brain. He claimed that a certain part of the brain fabricates religious and spiritual thoughts which he claims develop into hallucinations, and then is carried on to the neighbouring portion of the brain which controls violent behaviour.</p>
<p>I wanted to call in but it was a &#8220;captive&#8221; audience. I wanted to ask the guy which part of the brain fabricates the kind of nonsense he spews? The audacity of anyone to believe they know what anyone else&#8217;s brain is thinking! I&#8217;d say that is delusions of grandeur and the ultimate insanity! That man needs a good GODSMACK in my estimation, and I wish I was given the opportunity to tell him so! After all, isn&#8217;t &#8220;humanism&#8221; religious dogma in itself? It is a dictation of what the rest of us are supposed to believe, and I don&#8217;t buy it! Don&#8217;t say I am &#8220;uneducated&#8221; or &#8220;brainwashed&#8221; because I have traveled to 17 countries, including the former soviet union, have lived in many different areas, worked with people from all over the world, and have done my own research.</p>
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		<title>By: Ironwolf</title>
		<link>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/256/comment-page-1#comment-50457</link>
		<dc:creator>Ironwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I just have to wonder if brave Althusius is still around.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Alas, his blog has been long-dormant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<blockquote><p>I just have to wonder if brave Althusius is still around.</p></blockquote>
<p>Alas, his blog has been long-dormant.</p>
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