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	<title>Comments on: Ronald Weinland: Discussion Part 2</title>
	<link>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/440</link>
	<description>It's easy when you show them how.</description>
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		<title>By: Ironwolf</title>
		<link>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/440#comment-40980</link>
		<dc:creator>Ironwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/440#comment-40980</guid>
		<description>Another 250 (or so) comments have come and gone... time to start another thread:

http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/459

Please join us there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another 250 (or so) comments have come and gone&#8230; time to start another thread:</p>
<p><a href="http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/459" rel="nofollow">http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/459</a></p>
<p>Please join us there!</p>
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		<title>By: Weinland Watch</title>
		<link>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/440#comment-40970</link>
		<dc:creator>Weinland Watch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/440#comment-40970</guid>
		<description>Thanks to Ambassador Watch et al for keeping us up-to-date on this. Latest news in is that one "John Harrell" has been appointed as the "new evangelist to the United States and Canada" (along with one other being appointed to New Zealand). I have to wonder if this is the same John Harrell who is the founder of the Christian Patriots Defense League? What little information I can gather on the CPDL suggests that they have an extremely strong british-israel identity, and may have up to five hundred members themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Ambassador Watch et al for keeping us up-to-date on this. Latest news in is that one &#8220;John Harrell&#8221; has been appointed as the &#8220;new evangelist to the United States and Canada&#8221; (along with one other being appointed to New Zealand). I have to wonder if this is the same John Harrell who is the founder of the Christian Patriots Defense League? What little information I can gather on the CPDL suggests that they have an extremely strong british-israel identity, and may have up to five hundred members themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Ironwolf</title>
		<link>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/440#comment-40969</link>
		<dc:creator>Ironwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/440#comment-40969</guid>
		<description>Jimmyhags,

Still hanging around? Didn't delete your non-existent registration yet? OK, but play nice or be banned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimmyhags,</p>
<p>Still hanging around? Didn&#8217;t delete your non-existent registration yet? OK, but play nice or be banned.</p>
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		<title>By: jimmyhags</title>
		<link>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/440#comment-40967</link>
		<dc:creator>jimmyhags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/440#comment-40967</guid>
		<description>Reinhard-- YOU ARE RIGHT!  This has been the problem all the long!! There is no way--IF YOU READ THE BIBLE AND BELIEVE IT-- to in any way shape or form believe Weinland. You must either believe Weinland, who we know is false, because he claims what he teaches is Biblical, or believe the true Word of God. 

As Ron Weinland says, "Both can't be true." BUT, in this case, Weinland uses the very TRUTH (the Bible) to prove himself false!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reinhard&#8211; YOU ARE RIGHT!  This has been the problem all the long!! There is no way&#8211;IF YOU READ THE BIBLE AND BELIEVE IT&#8211; to in any way shape or form believe Weinland. You must either believe Weinland, who we know is false, because he claims what he teaches is Biblical, or believe the true Word of God. </p>
<p>As Ron Weinland says, &#8220;Both can&#8217;t be true.&#8221; BUT, in this case, Weinland uses the very TRUTH (the Bible) to prove himself false!</p>
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		<title>By: We Had No Fear of Death &#171; Weinland Watch</title>
		<link>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/440#comment-40950</link>
		<dc:creator>We Had No Fear of Death &#171; Weinland Watch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/440#comment-40950</guid>
		<description>[...] http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/440 The current comments thread from the above. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] <a href="http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/440" rel="nofollow">http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/440</a> The current comments thread from the above. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Reinhard</title>
		<link>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/440#comment-40644</link>
		<dc:creator>Reinhard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/440#comment-40644</guid>
		<description>Matt Garratt, and all other believers in Ron's fairy-tales!

Do you really believe in God and His Word as we can read it in the bible? Do you believe what Jesus told his disciples? If yes, then there's a  big problem who have to task with! 

It's quite impossible worshopping God and at the same time believing in the words of poor Mr Weinland. As I mentioned above, Jesus told his followers that the "last days" already has begun - 2.000 years ago! Just look above and compare it with the bible. That's all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Garratt, and all other believers in Ron&#8217;s fairy-tales!</p>
<p>Do you really believe in God and His Word as we can read it in the bible? Do you believe what Jesus told his disciples? If yes, then there&#8217;s a  big problem who have to task with! </p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite impossible worshopping God and at the same time believing in the words of poor Mr Weinland. As I mentioned above, Jesus told his followers that the &#8220;last days&#8221; already has begun - 2.000 years ago! Just look above and compare it with the bible. That&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: Reinhard</title>
		<link>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/440#comment-40642</link>
		<dc:creator>Reinhard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/440#comment-40642</guid>
		<description>ClintH, you wrote:
"We have had tornados in the deep south in February which would be considered a deep rumbling even if from a far off the last two weeks"

Do you really believe that tornadas in some parts of the USA would be a sign of WORLDWIDE endtime sceanrios as announced in the bible? In Germany for example there was nothing to recognize, not on Feb 2nd nor in the last days.

"I hope that you are praying."
My poor boy, shall I pray for you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ClintH, you wrote:<br />
&#8220;We have had tornados in the deep south in February which would be considered a deep rumbling even if from a far off the last two weeks&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you really believe that tornadas in some parts of the USA would be a sign of WORLDWIDE endtime sceanrios as announced in the bible? In Germany for example there was nothing to recognize, not on Feb 2nd nor in the last days.</p>
<p>&#8220;I hope that you are praying.&#8221;<br />
My poor boy, shall I pray for you?</p>
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		<title>By: Ironwolf</title>
		<link>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/440#comment-40587</link>
		<dc:creator>Ironwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 01:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/440#comment-40587</guid>
		<description>Matt,

Your comment is a case study in [[wp:confirmation bias]].

Historically, there have &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; been "wars and rumors of wars." Nation has &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; risen against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there have &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; been famines and earthquakes. (Mat. 24:7).

In the 20th and now 21st centuries, instant global communication has made it possible for us hear about &lt;i&gt;far more&lt;/i&gt; of these events taking place than was ever historically possible. So this technologically-enabled bonanza of bad news has been the best help that end-time prophets could have ever wished for... except for the little detail that the &lt;i&gt;substance&lt;/i&gt; of their prophecies never actually come true.

Fatalistic believers then make the problem worse by consoling themselves that there's nothing they can do to improve the situation because they are (at best) simply passive observers watching prophecy unfold, or (at worst) divinely commissioned agents of change charged with raising fear and/or helping to push the world over the edge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>Your comment is a case study in <a class='wikipedia' href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/confirmation_bias' title='Wikipedia article on confirmation bias' target="_blank">confirmation bias</a>.</p>
<p>Historically, there have <i>always</i> been &#8220;wars and rumors of wars.&#8221; Nation has <i>always</i> risen against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there have <i>always</i> been famines and earthquakes. (<a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=50&amp;passage=Mat.+24%3A7" title="NKJV Mat 24:7" target="_blank">Mat. 24:7</a><a style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 5px; border: 0px;" href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=50&amp;passage=Mat.+24%3A7" title="Open this passage in a new browser window" target="_new"><img src="http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/wp-content/new-window.gif" alt="Open Link in New Window" /></a>).</p>
<p>In the 20th and now 21st centuries, instant global communication has made it possible for us hear about <i>far more</i> of these events taking place than was ever historically possible. So this technologically-enabled bonanza of bad news has been the best help that end-time prophets could have ever wished for&#8230; except for the little detail that the <i>substance</i> of their prophecies never actually come true.</p>
<p>Fatalistic believers then make the problem worse by consoling themselves that there&#8217;s nothing they can do to improve the situation because they are (at best) simply passive observers watching prophecy unfold, or (at worst) divinely commissioned agents of change charged with raising fear and/or helping to push the world over the edge.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Garratt</title>
		<link>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/440#comment-40585</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Garratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 01:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/440#comment-40585</guid>
		<description>I'm the World's biggest skeptic without proof, but have to concede:

- that the weather across Australia has been the weirdest and most damaging I have ever seen in my 30+ years living here. Sydney has been devastated by Storms every few days for the past month. We have floods, cyclones, heat waves and the worst drought in &#62; a thousand years. I am confused about why there is not more comment about this, but people seem to be more interested in what Britney Spears is up to.

- worst winter in China for 100 years.

- head of the mormons, Greek orthodox church and the guru bloke who used to hang out with the beatles all dead within a fortnight. 

- Africa is descending into anarchy. Kenya, Chad, Zimbabwe all imploding on top of the existing problems. 

- Pakistan is coming under increasing influence from Al Qeuida and the Taliban. Who knwos what the election will shortly bring? 

- the credit crisis which is rebounding across the planet.

- attempt to hijack a jet in New Zealand this morning 

What were Weinland's early predictions again: weather, earthquakes, death of religours leaders, economic turmoil, war on terror. I admit none of these thigns 'proves' anything but lets see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the World&#8217;s biggest skeptic without proof, but have to concede:</p>
<p>- that the weather across Australia has been the weirdest and most damaging I have ever seen in my 30+ years living here. Sydney has been devastated by Storms every few days for the past month. We have floods, cyclones, heat waves and the worst drought in &gt; a thousand years. I am confused about why there is not more comment about this, but people seem to be more interested in what Britney Spears is up to.</p>
<p>- worst winter in China for 100 years.</p>
<p>- head of the mormons, Greek orthodox church and the guru bloke who used to hang out with the beatles all dead within a fortnight. </p>
<p>- Africa is descending into anarchy. Kenya, Chad, Zimbabwe all imploding on top of the existing problems. </p>
<p>- Pakistan is coming under increasing influence from Al Qeuida and the Taliban. Who knwos what the election will shortly bring? </p>
<p>- the credit crisis which is rebounding across the planet.</p>
<p>- attempt to hijack a jet in New Zealand this morning </p>
<p>What were Weinland&#8217;s early predictions again: weather, earthquakes, death of religours leaders, economic turmoil, war on terror. I admit none of these thigns &#8216;proves&#8217; anything but lets see.</p>
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		<title>By: Ironwolf</title>
		<link>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/440#comment-40584</link>
		<dc:creator>Ironwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 01:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/440#comment-40584</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We have had tornados in the deep south in February which would be considered a deep rumbling even if from a far off the last two weeks.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Every single atmospheric or geologic anomaly we've had in my &lt;i&gt;entire lifetime&lt;/i&gt; has been proclaimed as a sign of the end by someone! Perhaps [[wp:Law_of_Truly_Large_Numbers&#124;its just statistics]], or perhaps global warming is to blame, but then that would be us shooting ourselves in the foot— not acts of a vengeful god.

And the U.S. government hasn't been "completely normal" for the last 7 years, but that's not due to prophecy— just stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We have had tornados in the deep south in February which would be considered a deep rumbling even if from a far off the last two weeks.</p></blockquote>
<p>Every single atmospheric or geologic anomaly we&#8217;ve had in my <i>entire lifetime</i> has been proclaimed as a sign of the end by someone! Perhaps <a class='wikipedia' href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Truly_Large_Numbers' title='Wikipedia article on Law_of_Truly_Large_Numbers' target="_blank">its just statistics</a>, or perhaps global warming is to blame, but then that would be us shooting ourselves in the foot— not acts of a vengeful god.</p>
<p>And the U.S. government hasn&#8217;t been &#8220;completely normal&#8221; for the last 7 years, but that&#8217;s not due to prophecy— just stupidity.</p>
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