Ron Weinland: Discussion Part 4
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So I’ve read quite a bit here. Most everyone seems to be close minded and refuses to give the truth about Christ a chance. Everyone wants to hold onto their false doctrines and such.
Yes, I believe exactly what Ron says to be true. I keep in touch with many of the brethren and they are the kindest people in the world. I don’t know how you all get a “cult” out of this? We’re not being forced to listen to him, it is our choice after God had drawn us. There is no koolaid, and for others to say such things without knowing the facts is simply hateful. And considering that the greatest commandment of them all is love, you all should be ashamed.
I know there are a few here who share my thoughts, and believe that Ron is one of the 2 witnesses. I just hope Bzygrl sees this since you guys all drove her away.
If anyone would like to discuss more (believers please) email me. live.life.love07@hotmail.com as we don’t have time to debate and argue with ignorant people.
God Bless you all and I hope that didn’t come across too harsh, I just wanted to be blunt.
Quite interesting deal you’ve all got here. Trying to figure out whether it’s safe to follow false prophets like Ronald Weinland.
People would be just as wise to follow Peter Griffin and join his church of the Fonz. I think Henry Winkler would be glad to know people still find his early work relevant.
But in all seriousness, it’s great litte soap box you got here, Ironwolf. It’s shame you won’t let anyone use it.
Re: Troll-who-should-not-be-named: Glad I could help Robert. You might also want to check out http://www.youthbuild.org as that’s where it originally hails from. At least according to the email address it left on WW.
Funny how “Mondello” has the exact same IP address as Jimb, AKA Jimmyhags.
Proves my point, I guess.
Mr. McNally–
I figured I would post again. I have no problem with people knowing who I am or some of the things I have been involved in. And I certainly didn’t enter this site and begin posting to tick people off, although I did have a laugh on one occassion, but not at anyone’s expense.
I do have some knowledge on the Worldwide Church of God and I do, in fact, think your site is important, because I do believe he is a false prophet that could lead his flock to some potentially dangerous things.
So, again, I didn’t come this blog to start trouble, scoff at anyone and certainly not to rock your boat. I would, with your permission like to keep posting here– because like I said: The area of false prophecy is a dangerous thing–whether you believe in God or not.
And if you look at my posts– even when I was hiding my IP address– I did my best to keep this thing on topic and I do have a sincere interest in the stuff Weinland is trying spread.
Sorry again–
Jimmyhags…
Jim,
OK, you’re on probation with these conditions:
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2) One comment per day max (reckoned from midnight Pacific time.)
3) 300 words max (it takes me about 1 second to word-count a comment.)
Further problems (especially sockpuppetry) will result in permanent ban and complete deletion of all your comments from this point on. Questions? E-mail me.
No problem…… could you also un block my both of IP addresses? No more sock puppetry. Promise.
Thanks, man
Jim
I think it should be noted that Mr Weinland purposely modified “The Mystery of God Revealed – Pt. 2″ sermon to remove several minutes.
I listened to (and recorded) the live sermon broadcast that day, and he forgot his “file” and spent several minutes quite flustered trying to get someone else’s computer to work and makeshift the relevant notes.
While I can understand removing this for the sake of continuity, it also demonstrates he’s not above altering his audio files to remove unfavorable evidence. He was also extra quick to post the files.
The other question some would ask is: if he really is a prophet sent by God, why is he getting all flustered and not prepared? Human fallacy I guess.
In the same vein, he mentions in the 3rd part (sermon.mp3 linked to the live broadcast link) that he had food poisoning and can hardly finish for a soar throat. If the two witnesses will be able to stop the rain while they preach, why does God (or Satan?) seem to be trying to shut him up now? And if a Levitical diet is so superior, how’d he get sick? Bad fish.
Renton,
Perhaps Rod M. slipped something into Ron’s lunch ? payback man
Comment removed: off-topic. If you want to debate apologetics, e-mail me.
The problem is not so much about believing in a god or not, the problem is: in what god a person believes in, and what a person calls god. Ronald Weinland believes in the god of Abraham, others believe in different gods, others say they are all the same god but that man interprets this god in different ways which causes the different religions. While I believe these have some truth there are a couple of other aspects to think about. If we look at the possibility that there are highly advanced beings that live in our universe (The Disclosure Project) then a theory rises that one of these beings came to us and told us he was the god of the universe and used his advanced technology to prove to us this was true, and also instilled fear into us to make us submit. Maybe this one being manifested itself in many different ways(different gods) in order to practice textbook Machiavellian philosophy. Maybe it is several advanced beings, all claiming to be a so called god. Ronald Weinland has used the story of Sodom and Gomorrah as an example of gods ability to act out judgment on people, but if we look at the story through modern eyes and modern evidence of the site thought to be Sodom, we see radioactive particles in the area indicating a nuclear weapon was used. This is simply an advanced being that used advanced technology on the people. There are three options for Ronald Weinland:1)he is who he says he is, 2)he is another typical false prophet, 3)he is a tool being used by the NWO. Remember, the people who scoff at the idea of an NWO are usually the people who have not done any research on the issue.
Also, I am not sure if the issue of the identity of the second witness has been discussed on this blog, (if so let me know which part this topic can be found) but I was wondering what peoples thoughts were on this. I do know that he/she will not be revealed till the last 3 and half years starts.
I’m 97% certain it’s his wife – from scattered evidence I’d rather not account, but I’m pretty certain.
Jonathan,
This is a warning: this thread is not a place for you to air conspiracy theories: it is a place to discuss the true/false prophet status of Ron Weinland. Looking over your past comments, you mostly talk about conspiracies, but lace a few references to Weinland into your comments, so it’s hard to dismiss you as completely off-topic. On the other hand, it appears that the conspiracy theories are primarily what interests you. So I’m telling you: take those elsewhere. If you want to defend yourself over my assessment, then e-mail me: don’t do it on the thread. This will be your only warning.
P.S. The reCaptcha words for this comment were “future unclear”. It’s like a Magic 8-ball!
Yeah the food poisoning cracked me up. The anti-Semitism, not so much. Be interesting to see what gets edited out of what goes up. The “live” services, it must be noted, went up far ahead of the posted time, however.
The singalong at the beginning was truly inspired; two British-Israel hymns in a row!!
CoG-PKG members were instructed, in that last sermon (be interesting to see what kind of modified version goes up on the site later) to start talking about “the book” (Ron’s book) a little bit to their families but “don’t push” and “do it wisely”.
After March 18th, is when they’re being instructed to start talking to anyone and everyone about it, and apparently there are going to be cards made available for them to hand out to the general public. Wonder how those are going to be made available, and what they’re going to say.
(I should make up a few of my own, with the WW address on them. Nothing like countering one cult tactic with another.)
The important thing to note that the “family members” CoG-PKG members are being instructed to recruit will most likely have exited out of Armstrongism themselves, or may still be in another splinter. This will help to fulfill Weinland’s “prediction” no doubt, that “the scattered church” will all come back under his (Weinland’s) “protection”.
I can’t see it myself. Family members might get a few to go along for the ride, based on reactivating the old WCG cult programming (and likely out a desire to end the tension that exists in their families, with members belonging to different splinters), but UCG flatly refuses to answer emails regarding Johnny Harrell being a former minister with them, and if Bob Thiel is any indication, he thinks Weinland’s the anti-christ! (Thiel sits at the right hand of Meredith, and I assume, with Iron Rod’s chronic health problems, that Thiel is really the one driving the LCG now.)
Anyway. Rotten Ron’s predictions regardless, the membership’s going to start really pushing the recruitment drive over the edge, after March 18th.
Thank you for letting Jimmyhags back in. I missed him.
OK, ladies and gentlemen, step right this way to Ronald Weinland Discussion, Part 5.