Welcome to the fifth Ron Weinland discussion thread!
Frequently Asked Questions
Q. What is this about?
A. Ron Weinland is either the One True Prophet of God, or just another false prophet. He’s getting a lot of attention right now as he says that the Great Tribulation spoken of in Revelation will start to hit us on April 17, 2008, and that America won’t even be able to put a new President into office next year. Ron Weinland preaches a theology closely derived from that taught by Herbert W. Armstrong’s Worldwide Church of God (WCG) before their big merge with “orthodox” Christianity. See Part 1 for more information and links.
Q. Is Weinland a cult leader?
A. I reject the use of the term “cult” and I suggest you do too. It is most often used as an ad hominem attack on any religion one disapproves of, the result being to lower the quality of discourse. While some have compiled lists of traits that “cults” have, I have found that these can also usually be applied to much more popular and accepted sects, so to me this is also an unfruitful approach. These qualities can be used to identify sects that are more or less virulent at this time, but there is no objective “tipping point” where one sect deserves the epithet “cult” while another does not.
Q. Can I preach here?
A. No. Your comment will be deleted, and repeat offenders will be banned.
Q. What do you call preaching?
A. It’s a judgment call. This is about having a multi-way dialog, not you getting up in front of an audience and “letting us have it.” Posting a single scripture without comment is definitely preaching. The longer a comment goes without sounding like it’s really part of the conversation, the more likely I will judge it as sermonizing and remove it.
Q. You say you’re an atheist, but have you considered…?
A. Probably. E-mail me about it, but don’t bring it up in the thread: ironwolf@dangerousgames.com
Doug,
Do you think that if April comes and goes, and nothing dramatic happens to the Pope, etc. , that RW will admit he is a false prophet, or just disappear? Or use the old reason, The Church is not ready to be the Bride? Isn’t that what we all went in WCG thru before – when prophecies did not ever come true as threatened?
I’m hoping both Weinland and Ratzinger get raptured away on April 17th !
Magisto,
In response to your above post, March 18, 2008, is not the beginning of the Great Tribulation. It is the opening of the 7th seal Revelation 8:1. This is also day 1290 of the prophecy of Daniel 12. This means there is 1290 days left until the return of Christ. On April 17, 2008, is the beginning of the Great Tribulation and this day is 1260, meaning 1260 days before Christ’s return. Weinland did mention that the 7 Thunders would continue to sound more intensely up and through the 3 and one-half years of tribulation. However, on April 17, 2008, the 1st Trumpet of the 7th seal is supposed to begin (Revelation 8:7). By the sounding of this 1st Trumpet, Weinland and his Wife, Laura should have already assumed the role of the 2 Witnesses 3 and one-half days earlier (April 13, 2008).
CallieMae:
Ron predicts the death of the Pope on September 29, 2011. This is the day Weinland says is the second coming of Christ. In my opinion, it appears that Weinland is running out of options. Weinland has made the comment that he will admit his error and claim to be a false prophet, if what he says does not come to pass. Also, he did mention, that if he is false, that he will be ending his ministry, and will not have a congregation or a following. Retirement? Will he give up all of his beliefs and join some other Armstrong splinter group or will he try out traditional christianity?
Doug,
Personally, I’m hoping he’ll consider becoming an evangelical atheist.
Comment removed: I don’t even know whether this was off-topic, because it was unreadable.
Ironwolf,
I believe you said,
“Personally, I?m hoping he?ll [Weinland] consider becoming an evangelical atheist.”
That is an option, but personally I would perfer seeing him sitting on his couch admiring the beauty of his newly decorated Christmas tree.
This guy seems a lot like Weinland…
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Magisto,
Is he predicting specific dates?
I believe he says in this book that within 5 years there will be no New York City. This was publish in 2004, since it is within 5 years it could be anything before 2009…Thus coming to Weinland’s book 2008.
They also seem to share the common misconceptions of religion.
Oh, and to add to my pervious comment. They both say that there will NOT be another President taking office.
Things have to start happening by April 2008(not maybe 6 month delay),as the Great Tribulation is for 3 and half yrs which leads us to Sept/Oct.2011..there is no room for error with this..we do not go into 2012 according to Weinland…so if the Trib doesnt start around mid April Weinland is a False Prophet..
Paul, I 100% agree with you on that.
I agree Paul good point!
Regarding the six month margin for error, could this also apply in reverse, meaning that prophesied events began to unfold last year ????? Unlikely hey, that strategy definitely wouldn’t appeal to RW. OK, sorry to sound so cynical, can’t help myself :/
Take a look at this.
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/astronomy/
Maybe sience is going to prove god. =]
I agree also. With the date of Christ’s return already set for the fall of 2011 how can he even claim that it could be delayed 6 mos. Or, is it that it will have started on time but we just may not see the effects for 6 mos? I don’t know how that could be though if he claims the thunders will be sounding so loudly. Also if he claims it is going to be nuclear attack, how in the world will we not notice effects for 6 mos?
The Ron Weinland conversation continues in Part 6, right next door!