According to Ron Weinland, 27 days remain until the Great Tribulation is supposed to begin in earnest. Traffic is picking up on the discussion here— a sign of The End, or a sign of the power of Google? You decide.
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March 21st, 2008 at 9:36 am
RW just said again in another message, because he was asked about it after his last message, why don’t we raise our hands and praise God like they did in the OT….
He said, we don’t do those things because the world does them. It was appropriate in the OT because it wasn’t overused and over done taking away the purpose…
But now days, this type of “thing” is being used by the “so called” Christians and now we don’t do them, because we don’t want false things entering our minds….
March 21st, 2008 at 9:56 am
I want to say that I appreciate the understanding of Catholisism by some of you non-Catholics. Its soooo refreshing to not be called an idol worshiper or cannobal. Yes we have PLASTER that is in the shapes of people that lived on the earth…UM NO DIGIAL CAMS BACK in the year ZERO!!! just to re-affirm, as per Catholics, THEY ARE PLASTER, they can break, we can thow them away, they hold NO power, they are not idols, they are statues, the equivilant of todays photos!!! if anyone kisses them, its the same reason as stated in a past blog about how you would kiss a picture of your dead Grandmother. It is written, make no image AND worship it before ME!!!… not…NEVER MAKE AN IMAGE, NO MATTER WHAT PERIOD!….God is a BIT MORE intelligent than RW makes him seem. But just to set the record straight, the body and blood to us is NOT just a symbolism, we think Jesus is TRULY present in the bread and wine….i know, its a BIG one to non Catholics…but i must say i appreciate all the love here!!! and not the negativity that RW gives. Cant wait for 2:30 tomorrow…THIS is almost better than LOST!!!
March 21st, 2008 at 10:01 am
Steve said: “the body and blood to us is NOT just a symbolism, we think Jesus is TRULY present in the bread and wine…”
This is NOT salvational, and Catholics could ultimately be right on this…
What is happening at 2:30 tomorrow?
March 21st, 2008 at 10:12 am
Weinland’s anti-Catholic bashing is absolutely nothing new, to long-time members of the church (although it might get him into a good deal more trouble, these days, than it might have back in the day). Adherents of the Jewish religion were excoriated in a similar manner, when we weren’t being convinced they all died out in the Old Testament!
None of Weinland’s anti-Semitic and anti-Catholic rhetoric has changed significantly, from what I can remember, from the old-style teachings of the Worldwide Church of God. The only new twist Weinland has put on it is that he now excoriates Messianic Judaism as being the unpardonable sin.
Likely this is because Messianic Judaism is a real, and growing, “competition” for the CoG splinters. (Don’t believe me? Check out a MJ website some time. The similarities will give you cold sweats.)
Still no answer from Weinland’s followers as to why the world was not shocked and in horror on Tuesday when the seventh seal was opened though. And so the wheel of Armstrongism rolls on and on and on and on.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:15 am
Benncam Said:
“You are right. The deeper into RW teachings, the more people should KNOW they need to leave and walk away. It boggles the mind why anybody would continue to follow him…”
I don’t think you have to be a “follower” of Ron W. to believe that it is possible he has been given something that could turn out to be true.
In fact … as I stated before … I believe that I too could be given something … you as well. Does that make us false prophets if we are connected to a church that we know has certain things wrong?
Like Ironwolf said … the debate here is the validity of Ron W. So far … most of the debate has centered arround his PAST .. and his involvement with a church.
I know what Ron believes thanks to you all …. I know his hardline against everyone that isn’t part of his church. Like you all… I think its rediculous.
Say for one minute he is the end time prophet … he is still like most of us … he is miguided as well… he isn’t just going to wake up one day and be miraculiously healed of his own problems or misconceptions… prophet or not.
Say Ron isn’t a prophet and their is no God at all … The simple fact of the matter is that the evidence shows that the world is more messed up than it has ever been and things are rapidly happening by the day. I dont like to be a doomday salesman … but if you look carefully … it sure looks like the world is “ending” or drasticly changing whether we like it or not… what difference does it really make if its because there is a higher force saying we deserve it … or if it is just a natural cycle of cosmic and natural scientific events that is going to happen regardless of what we do.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:25 am
Steve,
I don’t come down too hard on the Catholic religion and statues and stuiff like that … I have been to the Vatican … and it is truly an awesome place…
But … in the truest sence … if I were to take $5.00 that I was planning to donate to charity .. and instead buy a Darth Vader action figure for dsiplay on my desk … I am indeed putting an Idol before God. And I have about 15 of these “Idols” on my desk right now. It’s plain and simple. Someone goes hungry because I want to show the world I am a Star Wars fan.
So I do not knock Ron Weinland for being “hard core” on morallity. I realize that Ron’s”hard core” ness is what is at moral question in this forum. Heck… we are all hypocrites. ALL of us. The Bible tells us to stand up for what is right and correct wrong doing regardless.
I also at the same time repect many people I know that are Cathoilic because compared to many of the other CHristians I know … Catholics do indeed tend to honor other moral standards more literally … like wedding vows for instance.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:50 am
Todaysfate,
What makes you so sure that the world is more messed up than it has ever been and why do you think that the world is “ending”? With Matt 24
and Revelation God tells us THAT there will be an end to our world but He dont tell us exactly WHEN last days will come. I believe this only depends on God’s decision and nothing else.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:58 am
Reinhard,
Mathematics tells me things are worse.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:06 am
Reinhard …
You are right “end of the world” is not a good way to put it … Lets call it “Life as we know it”.
Ron calls it … the end of mans reign on earth.
Al Gore calls id Global Warming
M. Night Shyamalan is going to call it “The Happening”.
I’m guessing that none of us here are old enough to know what life in an ICE AGE is like… or life in a GREAT DEPRESSION… or life during a HOLOCAUST … or a SPANISH FLU or SLAVERY … or APPARTIDE … or The CRUSADES …
History repeats itself … if any of these things happen again … it will be the “END” of life as WE know it to be.
You may call it the natural effect of over population. Which is what I think … but it it what it is.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:37 am
Oh Dear..sorry have to agree with Ron on the Catholic issue…Example…”The Spanish Inquisition”..On side with the Nazis in WW2..Shrouding their Church in Gold and Costume..The Crusades..Etc Etc..No pope mentioned in the Bible is there?…Sorry these guys are as Christian as Osama Bin Laden..The funny thing is its in your face yet everyone still denies it..No..sorry..Ron is spot on with this….i mean shit even Pope Ratzinger is a former member of The Hitler Youth Movement !..and you wouldnt catch Jesus drinking out of a jewel studed gold goblet…Hypocrites!…
March 21st, 2008 at 11:47 am
More on RW
He said, God isn’t working with the world today…ONLY those he calls…ONLY the true church (his)…it isn’t the time for the rest of the world. RW says that the 144,000 all the way back to Noah is “sealed”…
I read today Romans 1:1-32
How does RON explain verses 16 & 17?
March 21st, 2008 at 12:11 pm
I found this extremely interesting!!! Please READ!
http://www.nysun.com/article/73365?page_no=3
March 21st, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Weinland Watch,
The similarities are not lost on me. My mother, who raised me and my brothers in the WCG is now an odd amalgam of Charismatic Christian and Messianic Jew.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Yes Peter… I read it… Interesting it is!
Also, the story on the Olympics is interesting…
March 21st, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Todaysfate,
I don’t deny that change is happening at an ever-increasing pace. Some futurists including Ray Kurtzweil, imagine a time within the next 30-40 years when change will be happening too fast to predict what things will be like even in the short-term— a time Kurtzweil calls the Singularity. Whether that will in fact happen and whether its consequences will be good or bad for the human race is certainly a matter for speculation and debate. But from my perspective, I see no need to suppose the Hand of God moving to fulfill prophecy in this— it is simply the Way of Life moving to explore all the possibilities of a space.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Paul,
I am inclined to take Christians at their word. If you say you are a Christian, then very well. If Ron Weinland says he is a Christian, very well. If the Pope says he is a Christian, very well. If Pat Robertson says he is a Christian, very well. If the Mormons say they are Christians, then very well. If Fred Phelps says he is a Christian, then very well. It’s clear to me that all of these people and groups draw inspiration from the stories of Jesus. Why should I exclude one over the other? In the legend Jesus says, “Let him that is without sin cast the first stone,” and yet I am continually astonished at how willing various self-identified Christians are to cast stones at the others— in doing so declaring themselves sinless and ready to condemn. I suppose they could not do so unless each faction believed themselves to be the only “true” Christians. But from my perspective as an outsider, this only makes the spectacle of folly complete.
I wish you could see it.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:28 pm
could be interesting…
…new record for the “most intrinsically bright object ever observed by humans in the universe”, 2.5 million times brighter than the brightest supernova to date…
(Matt 24:27
)?
March 21st, 2008 at 1:39 pm
A lot of you guys are saying that when the 7th seal was open nothing really happened… I am going to have to disagree. If you recall on that date a pastor was cursing America saying things like “God Damn America!” and many people were “Shocked” and “Horrified” because that statment basically mean that he wants god to Damn us…In other words ” to condemn to a punishment or fate; especially : to condemn to hell” Let me remind you RW said don’t expect anything big… But i believe this is what he might have been talking about. And since then America has glanced back at the church and are now questioning its teachings.
Please reply to this, I would like to know what you think.
You too Ironwolf… do you think this has any meaning?
March 21st, 2008 at 1:47 pm
I always thought the 7th seal is going to open on March 24th. Not once I don’t believe in his recent sermons say that March 18th was the day, even in his last sermon I don’t believe hearing that! Am I wrong?
March 21st, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Magisto,
I was pretty shocked and horrified….maybe this was it…
March 21st, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Peter…
Well, I think there is some confusion on this.
On Feb 9th, the sermon title was “45 Days till the 7th Seal”…but IN that sermon he said…”Well its really only 38 days”…so…
???
March 21st, 2008 at 2:27 pm
I think RW is confused about half the time I listen to him
March 21st, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Tomorrow at 2:30 RW’s LIVE streamed sermon on the COG=PKG website…
Some points:
I think RW is RIGHT ON when it comes to recognizing many ill of the world. He could be right, Catholics could be, other religions could be..Im open to accepting WHATEVER GOD throws my way. I have made my choice “not blindly” and hope Im correct, but I accept all and my heart is open. I do have common sense and natural law that aided me in coming to my conclusions. AS FAR AS the world being worse today. MOST DEF!!!!! Let me explain…back in the day evil behavior was practiced usually by some leader that stirred up crowds without the crowds actually knowing the details. Im SURE there were tons of Germans that followed Hilter that did not know about the horrors…TODAY its MUCH MUCH different. EVIL has penetrated MANY people individually. If you just look at the RESPECT of HUMAN life issue globally…Chinese women dig a hole and give birth in a field, if its a girl she just covers it up with dirt and goes back to the rice patty, 1/2 the USA thinks its perfectly ok to murder children, stop feeding people and starve them to death whos lives “WE DEEM” dont have any value. Adultery, Drugs, smoking, alchohol, over eating, (all of which are a direct offense against the commandment thou shalt not kill) are WIDLEY accepted. Human cloning, creating humans for body parts…etc.. RW is correct about technology really taking us to a different levell. ANYONE here in the USA must look outside this country. eventhough we STILL KINDA are moral and dont have wide spread evidence of this in our nation. REMEMBER the other 4 BILLION poeple come from Godless countries that have NO REASON to respect life, they are AS WE SEAK perforing experiments on humans , creating life and killing it…etc… TO make things simpler….WE ARE ARE BECOMMING LITTLE HITLERS!!!! 50% of our county “democRATS” are pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-legalize drugs, pro-pre-marital sex, pro-sex for minors, pro-secularism, Anti-Religion, Anti-FREEDOMG, pro-IF IT FEELS GOOD, DO IT!!” - sorry for getting political but the rest of the world is worse than us….**** so, to RE-ITERATE…back in the day, YES, the HUN, NEPOLEON, STALIN, LENIN, HITER, a bad POPE or 2, JIMMY CARTER (haha). TODAY im gonna say that 2/3 of the worlds population (on an INDIVIDUAL LEVEL) thinks they are GOD and think they have the power to decide who lives and dies. 1 hilter has become many hitlers, they sit next to you, they are in your family, your firends…the infultration is staggering!!
March 21st, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Magisto,
I think you need to get your basic facts straight. Those incendiary quotes by Obama’s pastor, which Obama has most strongly repudiated, were not made on the same date that Weinland said the 7th seal was opened. Those quotes were found when the media went specifically looking for controversy by reviewing past sermons. That news apparently broke on March 13, and the date of the 7th seal was supposedly March 18th.
Now I’m just waiting for McCain to repudiate Hagee, who shakes the hands of the Jews while doing everything in his power to get them destroyed in his concept of Armageddon.
March 21st, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Good point about the REV. WRONG thing being SHOCK…but lets be honest it only shocked FOX NEWS WATCHERS LIKE ME…I DONT THINK THOSE CHINESE LADIES KNEE DEEP IN THE RICE PATTY WERE THAT SHOCKED!!!!
BTW, the FLOODS in the midwest are crazy, this Pope stuff seems to be exactly what RW has predicted months ago…Im gonna try to get tickets to see him at Yankee Stadium, if figure if i get vaporizes, its better than living the 3.5 years of no food and water and according to RW I wake up in 1000 years…so ill see YALL in a millenum! You think this blog will still be going???
March 21st, 2008 at 2:44 pm
hmm, must be another steve in here….ok, it’s easter saturday. One more sleep and the bunny brings the eggs. OK RW wouldn’t approve of that hey
March 21st, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Yep, more than one Steve. That’s what you get for having a common name.
I suggest adding an initial.
March 21st, 2008 at 2:59 pm
im upper case
March 21st, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Ok Steve … or the other Steve …
Your “evil in the world” rant is what I am talking about.
Real horrors are happening on a personal level more and more every day.
Technology has indeed taken us to a new level. I’ll say that again.
Perhaps the detractors are right … maybe the same “bad” stuff has been going on and at the same level since day one…. well… then thanks to technology … the word is spreading faster … more poeple know about it … more people worry … more people react … and really … isn’t that going to have the same effect?
March 21st, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Upper-Case Steve,
…aaand we have a new Winner in the Weinland thread Godwin’s Law contest!
After reading that, I think I need a good “infultration.”
March 21st, 2008 at 3:09 pm
I am a vegetarian, so could I ever be catholic and take the eucarist? just a question.
March 21st, 2008 at 3:47 pm
HAAA, Good one Katie! I guess thats up to you as to whether you want to eat a tiny bit of meat every sunday…
IRON!!! GODWIN??? been blogging much ???? Pethetic that thats even a TERM. BTW, this is the first time ive EVER blogged and I guess now, given the fact that it seems EVERYONE uses hitler commonly and that people just write it off means that Im NOT guilty of GODWIN, its the people who write it off that are guilty of IGNORANCE and COMPLACENCY!!!
when I say HITLER, it is 100% equal to “PLAYING GOD”. The human example i site is to not only say PLAY GOD but to show an EXAMPLE of someone that actually DID PLAY GOD and MURDERED 6 MILLION PEOPLE because of it. NOW ILL SAY (HITLER,LENIN,STALIN) so that I wont EVER EVER be accused of this rediculous terminlogy. I will no longer just use hitler and just say, 1/3 of the population PLAYS GOD, ie, baby sex selection, abortion for a clef LIP or CLUB FOOT, INVITRO, CLONING, EUTHANASIA…and just to tie the HITLER BOW once more,many people think that a human child growing in his/her mothers WOMB isnt HUMAN as HITLER DID NOT CONSIDER JEWS and others HUMAN and worthy of LIVING A FREE LIFE THAT GOD GAVE THEM….Yea, SORRY for the HITLER comment!!!! BACK TO WW’s BLOG!!!
March 21st, 2008 at 3:50 pm
But it’s just a wafer and a small cup of wine… unless one actually believes that the stuff magically turns into the flesh and blood of a man who died 2000 years ago :/ I’ll leave Transubstantiation for the “experts” (6)
March 21st, 2008 at 4:01 pm
I believe Ronald is a prophet.
In the didache, chapter 11 it says in regards to how to tell a true prophet:
….if he asks for money,he is a false prophet….but whosoever says in the spirit, give me money, or something else, you shall not listen to him….
To the world Ronald is not asking for money. I recieved his book here in NZ for free even the postage was covered. He hasnt asked for a cent. His books are free and all of the advertising too.
and what about his members who give a tithe..
Didache chapter 13 continues (support of the prophets)
…..but every true prophet who wants to live among you is worthy of support…every first fruit, therefore,of the produce of winepress and threshing floor, of oxen and of sheep, you shall take and give to the prophets for they are your high priests….
and then theres this…
Didache chapter 11:
…and every prophet who speaks in the spirit you shall neither try nor judge; for every sin shall be forgiven, but this sin shall not be forgiven….
March 21st, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Two Steve’s?
March 21st, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Upper-Case Steve,
Godwin, Godwin, Godwin, Godwin, Godwin.
Good riddance.
March 21st, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Ron can ONLY be a prophet if WHAT he prophecies occurs exactly as he proclaims.
Otherwise, we can all be prophets…
I think that he has proclaimed MANY things between his books, sermons and radio interviews…
A LOT has to happen in the next 3 1/2 years….to prove it one way or another.
Better go online and listen to his messages…
I heard him say today anyone that calls God “Yeshua” will NOT be baptized or will be in God’s Kingdom.
I heard him say today that in God’s True Church…(RW’s church) you don’t listen to so called Christian music, ONLY the songs written by Dwight Armstrong….
It’s the same story…different teacher…
March 21st, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Karina:
“Didache chapter 11: …and every prophet who speaks in the spirit you shall neither try nor judge; for every sin shall be forgiven, but this sin shall not be forgiven…”
Ummm that’s nice but just a few verse below that…
Didache 11:12
But whoever shall say in the spirit, Give me money, or things of that kind, listen not to him; but if he tell you concerning others that are in need that ye should give unto them, let no one judge him.
So in RW’s case this translates to: Give me your money (entry fee/tithes) or you CAN NOT be IN the true church of god! MEGA CONTRADICTION!
March 21st, 2008 at 5:15 pm
RW has a WHOLE List of things you can and cannot do in order to be in the Church of God (RW’s church)
March 21st, 2008 at 5:16 pm
In RW’s view COG = God’s Kingdom
March 21st, 2008 at 5:37 pm
There are a whole lot of things that the Bible says we cannot do … but we do them anyway.
Like … everything called out in “Proverbs”.
March 21st, 2008 at 5:50 pm
A quick search in wikipedia reveals Jehovah’s witness History of Eschatological Doctrine. There you can see the many failed dates of the Great Tribulation aka hit and misses. I think this is similar as to what RW plans to do…as long as he can…certainly it wont be years (maybe I’m too optimistic here)…just long enough to put those extra zeros to those accounting books.
March 21st, 2008 at 5:51 pm
There are more religious groups than just the COG that have a “strict” view of the Bible… look at the Amish… heck .. even the Mormans have strict rules regarding dating etc.
Thats what it is …. people are turned off by the “strict” part.
Well … the Bible is strict…. the path of rightiousness IS narrow.
Adultery is adultery … (except when you no longer “love” someone right?) murder is murder … (except when you are taking orders from a General right?) Sex before mariage is sex before mariage (except when you do “love” someone right?) “Men that lie with men will surely die” (except when you live in a nation where its socially accepted)
So … COG says that if you don’t do exactly as the Bible says … word for word … you aren’t in the church.
Catholics encourage you to follow the Bible word for word but will let you mess up and go down to the Church to “confess” and be forgiven.
Evangelicals agree but will let you silently be forgiven where-ever you are whether you confess or not. There simply has to be an exception to any rule sometimes … right?
HERE IS AN IDEA FOR HUMANITY - DON’T DO “BAD” THINGS to begin with !!! At least TRY not to. We are at a phase where what is “bad” is debatable … we are a lost cause.
When is it going to stop? There is a point when even the Father will have had enough.
March 21st, 2008 at 5:53 pm
FYI…for those of you who expressed concern with Claire UK…she is a friend of a friend and I am assured she is doing fine and I asked my friend to pass good tidings to her from those of you who asked about her……………………………
Todaysfate:…I truly am sorry for your “real personal horrors”…but I can assure you that not all divorcees who leave a marriage prematurely for their own reasons, selfish or not, is the reason for the turmoil this world faces…..that had to be said since I took that comment on a personal level …you sounded alot like RW…….speaking of….RW’s objective at this point of time is to keep his followers as close as possible..(closing the ranks). RW does not want to take the chance that anyone will be influenced by any outside forces (like reason)…..it is seriously worrying me as we are getting closer to 04/17……….And I don’t think RW is evil, he’s dillusional, which I suppose is just as dangerous!
March 21st, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Robbi said: “And I don’t think RW is evil, he’s dillusional, which I suppose is just as dangerous!”
YOU ARE RIGHT! He is very dangerous…if you listen to ONLY ONE of his sermons….you will have to conclude, he will not say he was wrong EVEN if HE IS PROVED wrong…
by proven wrong I mean…all those bodies don’t drop dead….
March 21st, 2008 at 6:01 pm
RW’s RULES aren’t provable by the bible….
Can he prove from the bible ….anyone that calls God “Yeshua” will NOT be will not be in God’s Kingdom???
March 21st, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Banncam:
I don’t get what you meam: “all those bodies don’t drop dead”…I may be blonde, but not dumb…please elaborate on that please
March 21st, 2008 at 6:09 pm
RW will be proven wrong when the 2 tv presenters from LCG DON’T drop dead as RW has petitioned God to do, in order to prove RW is who he says he is…
He will also be proven wrong when the leaders of the PCG and those other churches DON’T drop dead as he prophecied will happen.
He also said “other religious leaders in the world” will drop dead and also famous athletes and actors…
ALL of these people, it must be about 10 MUST die to prove RW is WHO he says he is….He wrote this in his latest book
I probably didn’t communicate well on my last post
March 21st, 2008 at 6:21 pm
QUESTION….
So RW sermon “church service” is 2:30 CENTRAL time correct?
I’m going to record it
March 21st, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Just checking in on the blog to see what is up with all you folks. Had to attend to Friday business as well as go to a client’s funeral.
It was quite an affair and afterward a really big party. The guy just loved life and wanted everybody to say bye with a big bash! He will be missed.
Guess no big news from the RW camp and no big blow ups anywhere to report?
Catching up on reading I noticed some comments:
Ironwolf states:
“In the legend Jesus says, “Let him that is without sin cast the first stone,” and yet I am continually astonished at how willing various self-identified Christians are to cast stones at the others— in doing so declaring themselves sinless and ready to condemn. I suppose they could not do so unless each faction believed themselves to be the only “true” Christians. But from my perspective as an outsider, this only makes the spectacle of folly complete.”
Just coming from a less than….say….Christian gathering….(it was a lot of fun though and not criticizing it) the human state of casting stones is quite rampant in most human circles. Business, science, politics, religious, don’t know that is a unique behavior among human beings.
However, I would say as an outsider or insider to Christianity it is indeed a spectacle to behold. Hopefully most Christians don’t consider themselves sinless and ready to condemn. Most of the time when I have ‘thrown a stone’ at a brother it was because sinfulness and guilt in me…sad to say….but oh so very true.
I’m not sure we can consider one Christian ‘truer’ than another. Maybe we can consider one more ineffective and self-absorped than another. It really is a sad state to behold. I wish we all did a better job of representing what Jesus really stood for. It would certainly make this world a better place to be.
Later,
Marie
March 21st, 2008 at 6:41 pm
Banncam: thanks for the clarification..I understand the reference now…read both books a couple of times because I couldn’t believe what my eyes were reading! LOL..but in all seriousness…if RW is the real deal, then I’m going to die a horrible death and since I do not believe in Jesus and more specifically the COG, I will just turn into dust forever…pretty bleak for all who do not follow…but then again most institutional religions teach this, so what?…who’s got the direct line??? It’s ethnocentricity… each religion believes they are the only true religion and if you don’t follow, you are damned…just can’t digest it….let alone swallow the belief RW is a prophet and a final witness …
March 21st, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Has any one followed up on this 2nd witness ‘Katti Dauer’? She fully endorses Ron as an end time prophet and the guy before him- Armstrong. She is from the ‘ghetto’. I just listened to the interview from the last station that Ron interviewed on (I think the ‘Edge’). She says she will be Jesus future wife.
She is encouraging everyone to contact her. She emphasizes how little resources she has. Is Ron going to come out in his next sermon and proclaim that this ‘last’ (into the 144,000) is indeed the first and is the future bride of Christ? And she needs funds.
Is this a massive Ronald scam? I do indeed find her believable, as I do Ron.
March 21st, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Thanks for your apology Robbi … but I have never been divorced, I have never been married … and I have never “cheated” on or “dumped” anyone. On been on the recieving end of that.
“I can assure you that not all divorcees who leave a marriage prematurely for their own reasons, selfish or not, is the reason for the turmoil this world faces”
I don’t believe you can “assure” me of this …. but you are right … it is not the cause of turmoil … it IS turmoil. People unhappy do drastic things. People make other people unhappy more and more for petty reasons…
The “personal horror” comes from watching those around me … those I love and even people I don’t know real well at all … suffer increasingly for what I can only describe as some really lousy judgement, irrational and reckless decisions.
Sure … we all know people in trouble … who can say everyone they know is in trouble? And under truly rediculous circumstances … Its more people these days than it used to be … thats for sure.
Anyone who doesn’t see this happening all around them is in denial.
Perhaps the “end times” are here despite RW and his “cultlike” church.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Kurt,
Like any major story in the Bible … the main players come from the most unlikely of places. Katti certainly seems to be the most unlikely.
I’m wondering how she is going to deal with all those people contacting her.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Todaysfate,
Sounds like dealing with those people who contact her will be nothing compared to what she has already gone through. I am no religious scholar, or any type of scholar at all for that matter, but didn’t Jesus save a prostitute with the ‘he who is without sin cast the first stone’ line?
March 21st, 2008 at 8:05 pm
If Ron proclaims her the future bride of Christ and th 2nd end day prophet, who here will cast the first stone?
March 21st, 2008 at 8:20 pm
Kurt,
Me. I don’t believe in sin.
March 21st, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Banncam….the services are at 1:30 central.
On the Katti Dauer thing…I can assure that Ron doesn’t think she is the second witness, weather she claims to be an RW/COG supporter or not and he has probably never heard of her unless he is reading this message board.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:41 pm
There’s NO way he’s heard of her…
The 2nd witness that RW names will be someone VERY close to his camp…
Thanks for the time on that service. I will be recording it live if any of you want a copy let me know.
March 21st, 2008 at 9:57 pm
we are getting very close…..this week;s sermon should be a good one!! In the 45 days sermon…ron mentions how ppl listen to the sermons who don’t believe in what he says, He said that last week was a good one with the 144k are sealed, but boy he really out did himself this week with the 45 days till the 7th seal…lol…i like his since of humor! Now that i think about it i think he said they were prob saying “he has really lost it now”! Like i said i can’t wait for the sermon it will be a good one, with lots more stuff you guys don’t like to hear.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Banncam—the services are listed on the site as 2:30PM EST. Usually they are anywhere between ten to twenty minutes early, or an hour and a half late. Best to start monitoring it an hour or so ahead of time, your local time.
Karina says:
“To the world Ronald is not asking for money.”
This is false. The church demands an immediate tithe from members before they will baptize them, or even tell them the exact location of services.
Ironwolf says:
“The similarities are not lost on me. My mother, who raised me and my brothers in the WCG is now an odd amalgam of Charismatic Christian and Messianic Jew.”
Ai-yi. I feel for you, ‘wolf, I really do.
Observers will note that tomorrow is supposed to be the last big “pre-Passover push” to get everyone baptized; even though the faithful flock getting dunked at various points of the globe tomorrow are not going to get in the kingdom, they at least won’t be among the multitudes of crispy critters on the 17th. Or so they think. Or so we hope.
Weinland himself will be in Vancouver, Washington, meeting with “members of Worldwide”. One wonders if they are currently members of the WCG, or if they simply never took up with a splinter after the changes; one also wonders if they might not be current members of WCG, going in “undercover” so to speak (although that doesn’t seem likely, as it is a baptismal drive).
Anyone looking forward to “The Mystery of God Part 5″? I’m certainly not.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Ron’s followers are already dismissing Katti Dauer as the second witness. I was checking some other blogs. Ron has already told his followers that the second witness is someone he personally knows and is close to and Ron has no idea who Katii is and she claims that she doesn’t know him either.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:22 pm
WW said: “the services are listed on the site as 2:30PM EST. Usually they are anywhere between ten to twenty minutes early, or an hour and a half late. Best to start monitoring it an hour or so ahead of time, your local time.”
I am working on it now actually. I think I can hook my laptop into my main computer with “source” set to “input line” which will be a better recording than me setting the microphone up to the speaker…
Don’t let me fool anybody, I am NOT very technical…I just happen to record stuff on my computer quite a bit. I have always just placed the microphone up to the speaker, but this time I am trying something better…
If it doesn’t work…I’ll do what I always do.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:24 pm
To the poster passing along kind wishes for ClaireUK, can you add mine to the list? I’ve been thinking of her a lot, ever since Weinland’s blowout over her MySpace page came out in the sermon on the 15th.
Please wish her well, and ask her to email me at weinlandwatch@gmail.com . Even if she just wants to gloat that she is okay.
Thanks. -WW
March 21st, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Don’t forget Banncam, no RealPlayer this week. It’s been disabled.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:28 pm
All of this “baptism drive” is sort of sad to me…
Or maybe it’s the music I’m listening to…. It’s beautiful for sure, but it is making me all Melancholy.
These people who are being baptized, don’t even realize what they are signing up for…for the most part. Any ex-WCG members should know…
Maybe it is reflective of when the Israelites wanted to go back to Egypt when they left with Moses. Getting out of your comfort zone is hard and painful and a lonely road…
March 21st, 2008 at 10:30 pm
yes, no REAL player…
I have Winamp which when Real Player was working…Winamp would automatically download it.
With Windows media….I have the cords (the red/yellow/white) to connect my laptop directly to my main computer which by using “Cowan” I can record direct with no outside sound interferences.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:32 pm
In case you are interested I am listening to relaxing hymns…
http://www.wordoftruthradio.com/
They are instrumental…the ones I listen to.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:48 pm
I just listened to Katii Dauer, She says there are JEWELS all over the walls in heaven and that her and christ will be the only ones having sex in heaven and procreating….Oh Brother.
For those of you that will be tortured tomorrow at 2:30 EST…The first 20 min of the serman is just BLA BLA BLA…RW talking about how he feels, where he was where hes going, where next sabboths are, how many baptisms, finding verses, fixing the mic, setting up the computer, telling people NOT to wear perfume and cologne, throwing crying babies out! Then his SMOKERS WEAZING LAUGH….THEN WE BEGIN THE CATHOLIC BASHING!!! THEN WE TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT GOD is NOT…!!! NO jewels, no sunday, no peaganism…the word AMAZING and REALITY are used about SIXTY FIVE BILLION TIMES…then when all is said and done, you learned nothing new from the past BILLION sermons
March 22nd, 2008 at 12:21 am
Robbie said:
“each religion believes they are the only true religion and if you don’t follow, you are damned…”
True true thats why im becoming more and more interested in the Bahai Faith!
March 22nd, 2008 at 7:05 am
WW: I will pass that on to Claire and give her your email, but don’t be too disappointed if she doesn’t contact you due to RW’s instructions…
March 22nd, 2008 at 7:20 am
To all: I too will be listening to the sermon…our responses to the rants this afternoon I surely am looking foward to! Til the, have a good one…
March 22nd, 2008 at 7:53 am
Thanks Robbi. Hey, Banncam, if you really want to be depressed, check out the old Purple Joy Killer. It’s guaranteed to bring back memories! Now with music! (Altho I couldn’t get it to stream properly.)
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:02 am
I was working on my “recording situation” last night.
At 1:00 in the morning my hubby got up and looked at what I was struggling with.
He fixed it in about a half hour!!
So I sould have a really great recording of todays service.
I am testing it now…with a saved file. But it worked last night on LIVE recordings just fine…
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:02 am
NO! I’ve seen that purple music sight…
It’s too much for me…
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:03 am
I like that EASY soft music….
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:11 am
Okay, so I’m recording from a saved RW file…
But when I play back the recording and listen it is only coming out of one speaker…so…It sounds GREAT….but it is only coming out of one speaker…
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:11 am
Karina,
I have known quite a few Baha’i people in my life (I grew up on the West Coast). They are by and large friendly and outgoing, and not at all “religious”. (By religious, I mean that in the sense of cram-it-down-your-throat-our-way-is-the-only-way-or-you’ll-be-a-crispy-critter religious.) They have a religion that instead of being based on the golden rule only, they (for the most part) try and go out and really live it.
The history, texts and beliefs behind it all are indeed very interesting. (The world would have been an extremely different place if the Islamic world had gone with the Bahai prophet instead of the Muslim one.)
Oh yeah the food is good too.
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:20 am
Banncam—Awwww come on, content aside, don’t you remember standing in a drafty, cold, rented hall every Saturday, belting out:
Oooooooh that me-en would praaaaaise their god,
for all his goodness and all his works!
For he has fiii-iiilled the hu-ungry soul,
And they who are THIR-sty he SAT-isfies!
SOO-OOME are BOU-OUND in DARKNESS AND CHAINS,
FOR THEIR Re-BELL-ion a-GAINST the MOST HIGH!!!!!!!!!!
Yikes. I think I strained something.
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:22 am
ha ha sounds like you did.
Yes, we worshipped while staring at a “American Legion” sign at front….
Drafty is right!
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:22 am
Hello Everyone,
I haven’t commented before, but I’ve been reading this blog ever since I searched for some info on Weinland. I found a link to his “the-end” site on myspace sometime in the middle of February, clicked on it, looked at it, and freaked out.
I could go into this more, but to stay more on topic, I actually have a question about the time line of events for April. Initially, I was pretty certain that he was saying the “attacks” were going to begin on the 12th of April. Being very close to New York City, this of course, terrifies me. Then again, being that close to New York, I admit that I always have those fears.
But someone posted a statement from Weinland in their comments here recently, about the Pope being in New York City when he makes his announcement to the EU. Now, from my understanding, this is supposed to take place on the 18th of April (considering that the Pope will be here from the 17th to the 19th or 20th of April.
Basically, my confusion over this time line is how the Pope could be in New York City on the 18th when it’s already been bombed on the 12th.
Like I said, I could be completely misunderstanding what’s been said, but if someone could clear this up for me that would be great.
BTW…there has been increased talk about terrorist threats in the past week. This, of course, increases my fear about Weinland possibly being right, but, I have to say that I’m still not going to leave my home.
Thanks to everyone in advance!
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:23 am
Okay I spoke to the REAL techno-man…my hubby.
He said we have to only have ONE speaker for today because he is already gone for the day.
We will have a better recording situation next week…
He’s speaking my love language
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:36 am
Hey Ann,
I feel for you being up there in NY. I don’t have any answers about that, but truth is… RW is all over the place with dates, times, details of destruction…
As a prophet, I don’t think he BELIEVES he has to be right or ‘know’ those things…. I think he’ll just say, when time goes by without MUCH of his prophecies coming true that GOD revealed MUCH to him, but some of those details God left out and he was “assuming” things because of the “signs” of the times…
I could be wrong, but I TOTALLY BELIEVE that if a person is annointed prophet by God, HE WILL NOT let things you prophecy NOT HAPPEN….it would be too confusing for people HE (GOD) is trying to have empact on…
So, dates, Nukes, terrorist attacks…. RW is very shifty on…
Sorry.
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:44 am
Ann K.,
Ironwolf covered the gist of RW’s “timeline” in his comment further up the page here. Weinland has already been “debunked” with “the seventh seal” on March 18th. I hope that helps.
Please don’t be afraid. Nothing is going to happen. Weinland is a direct theological descendant of Herbert W. Armstrong, who predicted the end of the world in the 1950s (it was supposed to end in 1975 big surprise it didn’t). Ministers and believers in Armstrongism, adherents of the various Churches of God, have been predicting doomsday for over three-quarters of a century now, and it hasn’t come yet.
Most CoG ministers, evangelists and apostles are shifty on the dates. Unfortunately Weinland has carved in stone that he believes the world is going to end on April 17th (that is when the great tribulation is supposed to begin). This is what has ex-members of the Churches of God (including ex-members of Worldwide Church of God, which was the original demon-spawn of all this nuttiness) worried.
I hope that helps.
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:59 am
RW (in last week’s message that I’m listening to) just said, “If they reject the truth, then God will quit working with them because it’s over”…
What about the scripture where Jesus said if a sheep gets separated from the flock, the shephard will leave his flock and go look for and bring back his lost sheep…
March 22nd, 2008 at 9:30 am
Out of curiosity I went to Katii Dauer’s my space page, and requested to be added as a friend. A few days later, she added me. Anyone who has heard her Edge Am interview will recognize the statement she made and posted on her page. Rather unremarkable site, with some pictures, and friends messages posted. I emailed her this morning. Anyone who read any of my responses knows I am a skeptic of RW, so I basically reiterated some of my skepticism, and also asked her how she reconciles being the 2nd witness, but is not a member of RW’s church, or my assumption that she wouldn’t quailify to be the 2nd witness according to the RW “prescriptions” for life.
She claims on her my space page, “i need assistance in spreading what i have to say”, so I suggested she visit this blog.
If she responds, I will let you know what she has to say. Maybe she will pop in here and respond directly
March 22nd, 2008 at 9:31 am
RW just said, “We couldn’t even govern ourselves, not even in God’s Church, because we grew too large. We lost control”…
To me … this is SO wrong…
We don’t need a “Government” to CONTROL us if we are submitted to Jesus and governed by the Holy Spirit.
This guy LOVES to listen to himself speak!!
March 22nd, 2008 at 9:32 am
I imagine by “help” she means $$$$$$$$$$
March 22nd, 2008 at 9:46 am
There are a couple of other “witnesses” who lay claim to being Weinland 2IC; one of them is a guy in Hyderabad (India) and the other is a guy in Hawaii. Neither of them would qualify, based on Weinland’s “requirements”.
Notably, the CoG-PKG says nothing (publicly) pro- or con- any of the self-appointed witnesses that have come forward to this point.
There has been some confusion with dates (isn’t there always) but allegedly mid-April Weinland and his second are supposed to be starting the big “advertising” push for the church; I know they’re getting money hand over fist from the members right now (when the families are siccing lawyers and exit counsellors on the church to try and get it back), but I really have to wonder, where are they going to find a market for the ads?
There are only a few “religious programming” stations in North America, and Weinland’s “ads” are probably going to get lost in the rest of the money-grabbing televangelistic pap. Unless the church is raking in so much cash, they are able to afford “mainstream” advertising slots. Which speaks volumes about how brainwashed the members are, that they would let Rotten Ron literally throw away their hard-earned money for a couple of TV commercials that really, truly, are not going to amount to a hill of beans.
The World Tomorrow ran every weekend, sometimes twice a day in some markets! And even then there wasn’t a hundred thousand members, even at its heyday. Those “millions and millions” Weinland is expecting (or claims he will be expecting) just are not going to materialize.
Think about it! Instead of going to the CoG-PKG site, people are going to go to their search engines, and plug in CoG-PKG. And they’re going to get this page. Or my site. Or Shadows’ expose of the church.
Ugh. Waiting for services to start. Like this doesn’t bring back memories. Banncam, you want to do the fellowship loop of the room with me??
March 22nd, 2008 at 9:57 am
WW…YEAH! I’ll be in the loop!
March 22nd, 2008 at 10:01 am
RW just said Jesus condemned ALL Judahism in His day….He claims Jesus Condemned them all…
This is JUST NOT TRUE!!
There are NUMEROUS examples in scripture where Jesus by His ACTIONS showed LOVE toward the Jewish people…He obviously was angry at the Jewish LEADERS because THEY (the leaders) DID NOT SHOW love toward the Jewish people.
I can bring up specific scriptures but they are REAL easy to gather!
March 22nd, 2008 at 10:02 am
I’m listening to part 4 … RW sermon from LAST Saturday
March 22nd, 2008 at 10:18 am
Great! Shall we make our rounds?
Keep an eye out for Deacon So-n-So, rumour has it he’s bucking for an eldership. Got to look tiptop sharp around him! If he starts asking you about world events, the only answer that will let you get away in under five minutes is “God’s signs are growing greater day by day.”
Watch out for Mr. Pastor’s wife! She’ll talk your ear off about her brand-new china set, she’s so proud of it! Pity it’s a third tithe year, my family needs a new set of dishes too, although there’s no way we can afford china ones.
Awww, look at the Y.E.S. kids over there, all lined up and singing hymns on their own! Isn’t that just precious? Whoops, I guess Deacon Thus-n-Such didn’t like it, he just broke it up!
Hey, did you see that? Mr. Deacon’s wife just gave Mr. Lukewarm a dirty look and he tightened his tie! Can’t walk around on the Lord’s Sabbath with a loose tie, that’s just shameful!
Here comes Mr. Tape Librarian. Yeah you can hear him coming all the way down the hall can’t you? He claims he anointed that wheel with olive oil, but it doesn’t seem to have done too much good!
OH this gaggle of Y.O.U. kids! Look at you kids! Look at how you slouch! What is to be done with you? Smile more, all of you look perfectly miserable! What kind of impression do you think you’re making on God?
Why thank you Mr. Elder, I am glad you think my reproving of them was godly. Yes, I have heard Mr. Elder2’s wife is going to be doing the special music today I am quite looking forward to it. Yes, you have a good Sabbath too, sir.
She’s going to sing “All Things Bright and Beautiful” a capella. Here, you want a pair of earplugs?
Oh, that’s right, today’s a special offering isn’t it? I’d better make sure I have my envelope with me! I hope Mr. Preaching Elder isn’t giving the offertory; if I have to hear him go on and on about how Ananias and Sapphira stole from God and were killed for it one more time and how the wages of sin are death, I will probably fall off my chair asleep, not just fall asleep! Doesn’t he know any other tithing stories in the scriptures besides Acts 5
?
Mrs. Deaconness is sitting at the piano. Looks like we better find our seats.
“Brethren, if you will begin finding your seats………”
March 22nd, 2008 at 10:23 am
RW just said (again in last weeks service)
“Don’t just join the COG to escape what is coming! Follow where God is leading you.”
He can’t tell them they will escape what is coming….they all have to go through the great Tribulation as much as I do…. we aren’t in his country club of 144,000
March 22nd, 2008 at 10:35 am
WW YOU ARE SO FUNNY!!!
Oh! And don’t you see???
Mr. Librarian was concerned because that one ‘libral family’ finally asked for a tape that would surely bring them in line, but has kept it a week too long and so he was “forced” to the pastor to let him know.
Mr. Elder1 gave the song leader a “new list” of men who are able to give opening and closing prayers. One name had to be removed from the previous list because there were…”uhh…problems” with him.
And Mr. front row “head bobber” had his suitcase of a briefcase on his lap with his bible open before the music started as he is sure everyone else should have.
There is a sad teenage girl standing against the wall alone because last night was prom night and her parents asked the pastor for permission to let her attend, and he said no.
Not too far from her is that cool kid who is setting cross country track records in high school on the few meets which are not on the Sabbath…he is missing STATE TOURNAMENT today. He is trying to buck up and be a man, but struggling. At least there are a few other kids standing with him and being cool about it all.
March 22nd, 2008 at 10:45 am
LOL Banncam! It’s all true!!
Don’t forget the scrawny little kid hidden away in one corner with “Rocketship Gallileo” tucked between the covers of “The Children’s Bible Stories”—that’s yours truly, WWatch, atcher service!
March 22nd, 2008 at 10:49 am
Oh, and here’s one announcement made:
“The T-Shirts produced by a nice man, not part of our church, should NOT be purchased or worn. It was a nice gesture and all, and the picture of the Lion & Lamb was good, but we really don’t want to advertize to the community our name WCG, it could raise questions if someone does something not appropriate while wearing a shirt that represents our church. It’s just better that we don’t bring any questions on us or what we represent”
**this was ACTUALLY an announcement at the FOT in Ozarks MO**
March 22nd, 2008 at 10:50 am
You REBEL!
March 22nd, 2008 at 10:52 am
Hey, it was only the one time, and I just couldn’t wait till after sunset to find out how it ended!
My own fault for starting the book Friday morning anyway…..
March 22nd, 2008 at 10:55 am
Ah yes, the good ol’ Feast of Boo(ths)ze……..T-shirts? At the Feast? In my day, that would have been scandalous!
March 22nd, 2008 at 10:57 am
Another announcement:
“There will be a men’s softball practice tomorrow at the RR ball field, we have an upcoming tournament. Let’s try to keep our attitudes in check, if you were at the last tournament, there were certainly some events that really were not acceptable, and we should still try to keep a cool head about it all.”
Of course the men and their wives all remember when that one player who has always had an attitude problem since Y.O.U basketball games was accidently hit by a wild pitch and he ran toward the pitcher with an angry red face.
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:01 am
Another announcement:
“Please pick up an updated calendar for the month of March from the refreshments table after services. Apparently the printers left off the sunset times on the last lot of calendars purchased from them. We are looking into using another printing service as they are clearly being influenced by Lucifer.”
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:02 am
Question WW…??…
What will Windows Media Player show…when they haven’t started church?
Will we hear music?
Or is the screen blank and the “error message” says “not connected”
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:04 am
Error message:
“Windows Media Player cannot connect to the server. The server name might not be correct, the server might not be available, or your proxy settings might not be correct.”
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:05 am
yes!
That is what I got…
so when they are online…it should work correct?
I used Real player last time (my first time)
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:08 am
Another announcement (following the one about the calendar):
“Please take a copy of the de-leavening list with you as well, brethren, this is the most recent list from Headquarters. You will notice toothpaste is on the list this year, but that is only due to the popularity of some toothpastes that have baking soda in them. If you are using a toothpaste that has baking soda in it, you will have to switch brands for the Days of Unleavened Bread.”
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:09 am
Yup. Once it goes live, it’s all Weinland all the time.
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:10 am
Keep refreshing the webpage too Banncam the link changes at the last second.
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:15 am
Wow the audio is waaaaaaaay bad.
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:16 am
Another Day’s of Unleavened Bread announcement:
“Uh, we had a few reports of some of you boxing up your leavened items and asking a non believer neighbor to hold them till the Holy Days are over…Now we understand the expense of throwing out food, especially if you did not plan ahead enough and use those items up in the last month or so, but this practice is just like asking a neighbor to hide your sin. This shouldn’t be done.
…And on another note, we also noticed some of your parents are cleaning out your teenagers cars for them. You really aren’t to be doing that. The teenagers need to understand the connection between putting leaven out of their lives and sin out of their lives. I know you parents want to help them and make sure they don’t accidently leave a hamburger bun under their passenger seat, but you can’t put sin out of your teens lives. They have to do it themselves, so this year, let’s help them by reminding them what these days represent and check with them to make sure they did a good job before the sun goes down on the night when the Holy Day begins.”
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:16 am
Sounds like there are a lot of people in Vancouver WA.
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:18 am
Yikes —- that’s my favourite hymn!
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:19 am
YeS! Audio WAY BAD….Maybe the singers are way away from the microphone…
I like the song they are singing though….
I remember it well.
“Look down from Heaven and visit this vine…no more shall we wander delighting in shame…”
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:21 am
Those singers are recorded singers….they are playing a studio recording of their songs….those aren’t LIVE singers…
They may only have 12 people in the room…
The church my family goes to is 12 and it includes kids…
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:22 am
The second hymn is the same one that was played on the 1st. I thought they were set to random on the CD?
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:23 am
?? I don’t know what you mean?
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:25 am
A commenter on the blog said it was a CD that was set to random. But that’s the same selection as they played on March 1st.
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:27 am
Rise and judge eternal one….for the earth is yours……
How Lovely Are Thy Dwellings! That’s what they used to sing before the offertories for the building funds!
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:28 am
“How Lovely are they dwellings….”
I really do love these songs….
I could sing along…
It would REALLY sound great if they had more instruments playing with the singers than just the piano.
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:28 am
Check the title of the sermon. “The Mystery of God Part 5″.
Weinland’s really stretching the “mystery” out isn’t he?
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:29 am
Remember the trumpets they used to have accompany God Speaks to Us at the Feast of Trumpets??
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:31 am
THEY ARE GOING TO START HANDING CARDS OUT NOW.
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:32 am
Yes…He must love a mystery!
Yes! I remember the trumpets!
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:37 am
There will be a Passover service on-site ON THE WEBSITE where members will be instructed on how to observe it!!!
THERE WON’T BE A LIVE SERVICE.
Sounds like they’ve relaxed the deleavening rules.
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:39 am
He said if you aren’t baptized you can’t partake in Passover…
The church I attend announce that too every once in a while… We ignore it…Our kids ALWAYS went before they were baptized because I read the scripture to them about Christ NOT turning away little children. I told my kids…if they wanted to partake….Christ wouldn’t ever turn them away…
So…I’m a rebel too I guess.
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:40 am
Wait a minute checking my notes Passover is supposed to be held in various locations.
Must go focus on this sermon now……
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:41 am
Laryngitis still plagues our prophet I see…………..He’s joking about making it through three and a half years in such rough shape……
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:44 am
The church contacted MySpace to get the pages pulled!!
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:44 am
Did I count 18 baptisms last week, my calculator is starting to smoke
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:45 am
Hi guys,
Since a lot of these messages while listening to Weinland’s sermon are quite “chatty,” let’s use a tool that is designed for that. I’ve just set up a Flash-based chat room here:
http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/chat/
Just enter the nickname and password you want, and join the “Ironwolf” room (the default). See you there!
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:51 am
If you have trouble joining the chat room, let me know here.
March 22nd, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Thanks to your sick, perverted chat during Ron,s sermon. I no longer think he is the real deal. The 7th seal passing with no shock and awe help a bit too.
March 22nd, 2008 at 1:50 pm
your welcome Kurt
March 22nd, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Kurt,
Thanks! Just doing my part to inject a little perversion wherever it will do the most good.
March 22nd, 2008 at 1:51 pm
HEY! RW mentioned the Speedo’s and Bra’s… I did mention mention panty hose though…
March 22nd, 2008 at 1:52 pm
I can’t send the mp3’s till later tonight…
March 22nd, 2008 at 4:01 pm
WhooHOO! Welcome to freedom kurt!!
March 22nd, 2008 at 4:48 pm
did you guys hear that the Pope baptized Italy’s most prominent Muslim commentator today? well, that different and a bit freaky. the article i read said the baptism was to unite the 2 religions… duh, dhun duh!!!!!! (add a scary laugh wooohaaaaa haaaaaa)
any comments?
March 22nd, 2008 at 4:52 pm
ironwolf, i can’t get into the chat room. it keeps saying that my password doesn’t match my username.
March 22nd, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Katie,
Probably because someone on everywherechat.com already registered the nickname “katie”. Try something different.
March 22nd, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Im watching cnn, and they just said jesus might have been born in April. They had some pretty good evidence. Hmmm April 17 maybe?!
March 22nd, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Did you guys hear that the Pope baptized Italy’s most prominent Muslim commentator today?
The Pope Baptized a Muslim convert not ‘a’ Muslim.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080322/ts_nm/pope_easter_dc
March 22nd, 2008 at 6:57 pm
magisto,
i believe Jesus was born in late september
March 22nd, 2008 at 7:29 pm
is there an echo in here?
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:21 pm
http://tinyurl.com/2atqtf
It has good information about religion and ufos
I think it has a connection. April 17!
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:29 pm
I’m back…
Had a great EASTER service…
March 22nd, 2008 at 9:43 pm
I recall hearing you guys talk about your days in the WCG and how Doctors and medicine were not allowed, or discouraged. Did they place some significance on sickness, or was it some kind of sign from God so to speak? I was just wondering if RW’s recent and prolonged throat ailment if any in the PKG might view this with some greater meaning?
March 22nd, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Did someone also mention the Ron Weinland is a smoker? If so I find it hard to believe that he would find that acceptable as nicotene is a stimulant and as strict as he is about everthing else I would think that he would consider smoking tobacco as a sin of some sort.
March 23rd, 2008 at 6:11 am
I think whoever mentioned Weinland smoked was referring to his obviously-untreated chest infection (I have a family member with COPD trust me I know what one sounds like) that keeps plaguing him during his sermons. Given that he had food poisoning a couple weeks ago, he may have aspirated vomit into his lungs and inflamed the airways.
I am certain however, that Rotten Ron is under the care of the best doctors in the US. He can definitely afford it!
(There are stories circulating on the ‘net of ministers who vaccinated their own kids, while cheerfully handing out religious waiver forms to parents of young children in the church, back in the day.)
As for the seventh seal, we now have the church’s official reaction, which suggests quite clearly that Weinland and his crew may, in fact, only be in it for the money.
Settle in folks: We may be in for a longer fight than anticipated.
March 23rd, 2008 at 8:02 am
…and there is still nothing happening. No gradual escalation of this kind, no
spiritual escalation of that kind…so after all these absence of happenings what exactly is the point to RW’s ‘end time’ books again? (radio interview?)
With the absence of evidence it is still just taking one man’s word for it…
It’s like me saying that it will rain tomorrow…now pay me 5$.
A better story would have been that the spiritual & physical happenings would only occur to his church and the world would destroy itself or something along those lines. However this would not $ell as much seats.
If the congregation have not figured this out by now…this is basically a quick money grabbing scheme. It’s good for those (I suppose) with money to burn…but devastating for those that are barely surviving financially.
But for Ronald there simply is no time!!! (Get it?) to even offer leniency of any sort. One dollar short sir? Nope cant get in!
…so hurry! hurry! get those tithes and God inspired donations in!
No cheating now! God will count each and every penny!
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:52 am
Firestorm, do some research please, and don’t say that there has been “no spiritual escalation” becuase there is a LOT of it. Simply ignoring it does not make your statement true. Im not going to tell you whats going on either, why? because there is so much of it! I really don’t know how you missed it…
March 23rd, 2008 at 10:37 am
Magisto,
Yeah? Then stop giving us hindsight examples of things you think are “signs of the end” and tell us when it will get here. I’ll accept a “latest date,” but if you refuse to provide any then I will call you what you are: another superstitious end-of-the-worlder fearmonger, and nothing more.
March 23rd, 2008 at 11:27 am
The last line of Ron’s book, page 23 says: ‘…and the world will be shocked and in horror on the day that the Seventh Seal is opened.’
Before Ron’s sermon yesterday, someone must have asked him about this. Ron said something to the effect of ‘people were expecting something to happen on March 18th (opening of the7th seal). What I said is that this would happen on a spiritual level. I thought I made that perfectly clear.’
I was in shock and horror that I had fallen for the classic bait and switch. Ron grabbed my attention by predicting big spectacular stuff with a specific date, and then switches it to ‘on the spiritual level’ when nothing happens.
If it was on the spiritual level, then how is the world in shock and horror? By his own definition, Ron has revealed himself to me as a false prophet.
March 23rd, 2008 at 11:44 am
kurt,
when you read the book, you didn’t know the date is march 18th. When and if you read the entire book, you would have thought that April was when something was going to happen, because that is when he said! If i hear one more time that ron is false because nothing happened in March, I will start telling you what page ron said april, and tell you to listen to interviews. Lets wait till April then you will have plenty to talk about, since that is when ron has said over and over again, that is when something will happen. Just to make things clear now before May, when and if we get nuked in April we will still be a country for about 6 months, so don’t start in May talking about ron being false because the EU hasn’t taken us over yet.
March 23rd, 2008 at 11:50 am
Kurt …
Tribulation doesn’t “Begin” until April 17th….
Although Ron pobably is false … you al