I do think we humans have an innate need or desire to make “sense” of our world, but it still amazes me how in that persuit there are some who are so willing to stop thinking for themselves. It makes me wonder if in some cases they ever did. I personnaly don’t think those concepts should be mutually exclusive. We all rationalize, but at some point the “benefit of doubt” becomes almost silly. I also do not mean to offend anyones personal beliefs, but I am now of the opinion that given the facts as they stand now, if you still hold to RW being a “true prophet” you’re doing some major league rationalizing. And so it goes, history repeating itself no matter how much writing is on the wall.

‘but I do believe we are headed for very turbulent times’

Yes indeed, I also feel that is very much so. Many others may begin or already feel the same way. How convenient for an end time prophet looking to make some bucks.

Thanks for the kind words. Nothing like a good axe-style workout to get the heart pumping. Hopefully these posts come across with the relatively good-natured intention I carry. ; )

Seriously, my only objective is to help people think through some of the issue of faith. If they still come to the conclusion they currently have, no worries and no hard feelings. But at least I know I’ve held up my end of the intellectual bargain. I also hope to learn from others, both Christian and non. Wolf is a tremendous source of knowledge, as are many of the posters here.

I’ve never researched the other ‘holy books’ you mention. My study was primarily OT and NT and a bit of the Book of Mormon and The Koran — although I slept through most of the latter. I still find Islam so far behind reality from a cultural standpoint that it doesn’t warrant my time to challenge the confused.

Agnostics like myself would make for a lousy minister of any church, although I was a minister prior to deconversion. CoC, not CoG. Missed it by “that” much.

(And, btw Wolf, I apologize for the off-topic rants. I’ll try to refrain… ; )

Jon

An off topic question, concerning “Bibles”, have you ever heard, or examined the Kolbrin or Urantia books? Since this is off topic, unless you think there is some relevance to the discussion you can email me at statec@msn.com if you have any thoughts on those books.

Thanks, and sorry for the off topic question Ironwolf

[With regards to the Fifth Thunder] “Has any of this come to pass?”

Nope.

Hannah Montana is a bad example to make your point. She is a devout Christain … and will explain to you (and Barbara Walters) that THAT is the reason whe will NOT become the next Britney Spears.

TF,

You missed my rather funny jab at her ridiculous excuse for music. Being a musician, I’m a bit opposed to homogenized synthetic drivel. When I was a teen I was listening to a lot of the same stuff I listen to today some 25 years later. It was music that changed the world in so many ways. Even the more modern bands I admire are highly inspired musicians making more than a sonic toe-tapping impact on their listeners.

On the other hand, HM should consider herself lucky to change the shade of lipstick she’s wearing.

Britney on the other hand … gave up Christianity for some Modonna one with earth crap and her live has been going down since.

Yes, yes…that’s the reason for her demise. It certainly could never be the fact that she has the talent and musical vision of a piece of wet lettuce. It must be Jesus.

Wait. Small problem. Madonna is wildly popular while holding to her “Modonna (sic) one with earth crap” philosophy.

Damn those one-earthers!