23 shopping days until the Great Tribulation (at least, according to Ron Weinland,) so get out there and pump some of those good ole’ American consumer dollars into the economy! Oh, wait, that won’t help— we’re all doomed… right. You may as well send those dollars to Ron, then— he still seems to want them for some reason.
Part 1 Basic info and links.
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5 FAQ
Part 6
Part 7
Part 8
Dewayne, I would also like your response to NSJ’s question…
And by the way…it isn’t pride or haughtiness that you are “hearing” in my posts… It’s indignation, conviction and passion for the poor people RW is taking advantage of.
I’ve said it before, if it weren’t for the “PEOPLE” (not only my family) who are NOT aware of who/what they are getting involved with, I wouldn’t be busy reading this blog….
I’d be busy…but my mind and energy would be placed somewhere else.
I’m not going to be able to RECORD the sermon from today…
I don’t know if I’ll be able to get onto the blog either during…
I will be in my vehicle. Although, I do have “internet” from my Verizon wireless so I may be able to get onto the blog. I just can’t record…
I’d like a copy of the unedited version of the sermon if someone else has the chance to record it.
Hey Jonathan (IW),
Sorry about my “rampant idiocy” yesterday. It is your board and you can do whatever you want. I do appreciate this board that you created and your views and opinions. I actually really like your view points and what you have to say. It makes a lot of logical sense.
Sorry, just this whole topic and thing gets my emotions and mind going into a thousand different directions. It is almost surreal to think what is going on. Like living in a nightmare or a dream, or a movie or something. I will keep my posts within your guidelines and stick to the message board topic.
You mean tomorrow Banncam? There might be a few alternatives. I’ve been busy with real-life stuff, I’ll let you know if I can get a file from elsewhere. (I am hopeful I will make the chat on Saturday but don’t count on me.)
As for everyone saying they are going to wait until April 17th, I have already posted evidence on my blog that the church is already starting the thought-reform on its members:
Now the church is saying “It is not known how long it will take for this to be completed [the sounding of the first trumpet on Apr. 17th]“, and “it could take 6 to 12 months”. (This according to a form letter the church is sending out to any who question the “prophecies”.)
April 17th will come and pass and nothing will happen. The members will snicker as Weinland blasts the unbelievers from the pulpit and asks “Did I ever say anything was going to happen on April 17th?” Just as he did after March 18th. The “shock and horror on the day the seventh seal is opened” became “It was only spiritual. I thought I made that abundantly clear.”
They will keep going until Atonement (to which Weinland actually made reference, in last Saturday’s sermon), and before you know it, the Feast of Tabernacles will be back on again, and Weinland will still be raking in the money hand over fist, from the peoples’ “tithe records for baptism”. Mark my words, and that’s one prophecy I will stand behind!
Bencamm,
You and the other detractors may indeed by right about Ron W. Just don’t stay blind in this way of thinking if he starts to turn out to be right.
ALMOST EVERYTHING in this world that is “BAD” is escalating…. and faster than anyone can keep up with. Now if you don’t want to call these things “thunders” … that’s your prerogative… but its not going to stop the suffering either way.
There is a guy out there named Harold Camping. He is pretty well known with his Family Radio program. He is saying Oct. 21st, 2011. The nice thing about this man, he doesn’t call himself a church, and he doesn’t require tithing. It is totally you to you if you want to do that to help with his program, but it is not required.
Also, he doesn’t call himself a prophet as well. You will see doing a google search though that some people have said he is a false prophet because he felt with a high degree that 1994 was potentially it doing bible numerology and timelines. He had a book titled, “1994?” with a question mark behind it. Never has he said, God is revealing and talking to him giving him information about this date. Nor does he say he is a true prophet from God. I think he is very humble and just saying that from his research and understanding of the Bible, which he has been studying day in and day out for decades, that from what he has gathered, it ends Oct. 21t, 2011. I would like to see if Camping even knows who Weinland is, and what he thinks about that. Perhaps somebody can call into his program and ask him.
“The “shock and horror on the day the seventh seal is opened” became “It was only spiritual”
I STILL don’t get why this is a problem or somehow this alone proves RW is false.
Spiritual events are WAAAYYYYYY more significant than any other type of event.
Todaysfate, I think I might know who you are! lol I could be wrong. Let me guess, you are in your early 20s??? Your writing and view points remind me of a friend of mine who follows this topic and recently smashed his cell phone because he doesn’t like cell phones anymore. haha
Nope … I’m 37 years old.
Honestly … The only thing I don’t like about cell phones are the way Teenagers use them for mindless text messaging banter that teaches them nothing about themselves OR life.
Like .. OMG, WFT?, your my BFF etc…. LOL.
I’m not sure if these kids are going to grow up to learn what to do when their businesses are bring run from India and there is an army of angry Chinamen parked off coast ready to invade. Like … for real combat dude.
Hahaha, I totally agree, and I actually recently have gotten sucked into that. My friend, who I thought it was you, just smashed his cell phone because he thinks April is going to go down, so he is repenting from society now. I tried to email him and haven’t heard back from him in a few days so he probably has thrown his computer out the window too. I remember when I first started talking to him back in October he was all for Weinland, but he later stopped listening to his sermons and following him. He said he did get some useful good things out from his sermons and I have to admit, I have too! Although, he believes it is going to happen in April. And with recent reports and information coming out latetly, I believe it will too. HOPE TO GOD IT DOESNT! But if it does, then I guess it is just a part of God’s timeline and have to deal with it, and be at peace with myself, my surroundings and the people around me. Just my opinion of course.
Peter,
Actually, my name is Robert. See the sidebar on the front page of the blog.
Apology accepted. Just watch yourself.
Todaysfate says:
“The “shock and horror on the day the seventh seal is opened” became “It was only spiritual”
I STILL don’t get why this is a problem or somehow this alone proves RW is false.”
Because it was a LIE. Because Rotten Ron is now backing down from the fear-mongering (now that the unedited versions of his sermons are making their way onto the net), and because now the church is starting to “wiggle” and “oh look April 17th may not be the great tribulation after all and even though we cancelled the FoT, we’ll still be keeping Atonement!” (even the world was previously alleged to have been gone to hell in a handbasket by that time)
The thing I want to know? Is why Weinland isn’t going whole-hog with the announcement of the little woman as the 2Wit. He’s already got members handing out those damnable (and damning) cards……..Could it be all the attention he’s getting from the ex-CoG-blogs (and now from the splinter groups, not just LCG) has him running scared?
I certainly hope so.
TF said:…”“The “shock and horror on the day the seventh seal is opened” became “It was only spiritual”
“Spiritual events are WAAAYYYYYY more significant than any other type of event.”
Yeah…but FOR a witness/spokesman/prophet….HE MUST be held to HIS word..that SUPPOSEDLY comes directly FROM GOD…
On page 83 of RW’s book, he is discussing the transition between the Sixth seal and the Seventh seal. He states, “The transition of both phases is coordinated to lead into the opening of the Seventh Seal.” He also says this, and this is an important detail, “The physical phase of transition that is occurring during this present Sixth seal is the period when prophetic end-time events escalate, on a physical plane, with increasing destructive power that is best depicted as a pregnant woman in labor pains. But there is more to this phase of transition that will lead to the opening of the Seventh seal and the destruction that will come at the blowing of the first four trumpets.”
I believe this part of his book nails down his point that MUCH physical destruction will happen before the 7th seal is opened because he said “LEAD INTO” the 7th seal. I take him at his word, if he is a true witness of God. The 7th seal was opened in March and I believe we should have seen something REAL and ESCALATING that would have pointed the WHOLE WORLD to look toward a supernatural “being” or a true spokesman from God for an explanation. He also mentions the destruction at the blowing of the first four trumpets, not necessarily the sound of the first of four trumpets that will blow so he gives himself some “room” for destruction past the sound of the first trumpet, but he is still ambiguous at best.
On page 85 RW says, “As we approach the end of this spiritual phase of God’s work, a physical phase of destruction has begun in the world.” This means, that if ANY of RW’s prophecies DON’T come to pass, he cannot claim a “spiritual meaning” behind his proclamation. As he stated on this page of the book, the spiritual phase passes, then the physical stages come in. He has made a distinction between spiritual and physical phases and shouldn’t mind being held to this distinction if he is truly God’s anointed.
The problem with that is RW has made a point of calling any date that comes and goes a spiritual event for the church. In January 2007 when he predicted the 7 thunders would begin to sound powerfully…and they didn’t. He told members that maybe something happened on a spiritual plain, that he didn’t know. But he was quite sure in December and early January that it would happen. He said it was his petition to God. Well obviously God didn’t pay attention to his petition because nothing happened. When his first book came out he said it was for the church and not the world. I’m sure if he was getting the kind of recognition by now that he obviously thought he would by this point, he wouldn’t be spiritualizing everything away. Notice page 106 of his book
“I have also made a petition to the ETERNAL God of Abraham.
My petition is that this first phase of the Fifth Thunder be
fulfilled exactly as it is written here. This request is so that
scattered brethren who are asleep might be awakened and know
that God has granted them the opportunity to repent and return to
Him at this time. Also, it is so that they may know that I am His
end-time prophet, His spokesman for the two end-time witnesses.”
Since notable members of splinter groups haven’t died yet, I suppose
God is ignoring this petition also. Unless you want to take the RW approach and
Say the 6th and 7 thunders are overlapping.
I was listening to some of the radio interviews the other day. RW would catch the hosts off guard by talking about how much better the world would be if people would follow the 10 commandments. Even if they just followed 1 or 2 of them. He spoke about commiting adultery and stealing, and how much better it would be if people in the world wouldn’t do those things. I wish one of the hosts would have made a point of asking if there was ever adultery or stealing in “God’s True Church”.
WW: Now the church is saying “It is not known how long it will take for this to be completed [the sounding of the first trumpet on Apr. 17th]”, and “it could take 6 to 12 months”. (This according to a form letter the church is sending out to any who question the “prophecies”.)
The congregation will have to decide what to believe after April 17 when nothing happens. Will it still make sense to follow RW after he has broken one of the 10 commandments? Exodus 20:16 . A lie is a lie.
In fact a ‘false witness’ bares a double meaning in this case…or worse.
Therefore a (grade school) fill-in-the-blank statement would go something like this:
Ronald Weinland has tolled a lie (liar liar pants on fire) therefore he is a
___________.
here’s another example…….
listen to this sermon at 1:18
http://www.rweinland.com/sermons/download/07/1-6-07_church_overview3.mp3
btw, you can listen to the unedited sermons by doing the following:
you can go to the bottom of the sermon’s page and click onto the “green” bar that goes across the bottom. The unedited sermon from the previous Sabbath will pop up and you can listen to this one instead.
What is Ron’s target audience? I am thinking splinter group members and young adults. His main way to target the young adults would be his web site. Those who followed up on ‘Ron Wienland’ would find sites such as these.
Web sites such as these cost Ron money. Thats why he ranted about it before his last sermon. Thats also why he would want to have his version of things in here as well. Thus the presence of ‘dewayne’.
He may not show up here since he has been ‘outed’. At least not as ‘dewayne’. I also don’t think he is the only one.
Thanks Robert.
Damn, Peter— am I not speaking clearly enough? The 2011 thing isn’t for discussion here. It just isn’t germane. Last warning.
Also listen to this one…..start listening at 4:00
http://www.rweinland.com/sermons/download/12-30-06_god_church_ov2.mp3
rkay101….out of curiosity, how did you know about the green bar? I’ve been using that way of listening to new sermons for a long time. I just hadn’t ever mentioned on here because I didn’t want anyone in RWs group who is reading to inform him, because then he might stop posting them there
Whee! Off we go to Part 10!
And you thought I wasn’t paying attention.