Comments on: Ron Weinland: Discussion Part 10 http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/490 It's easy when you show them how. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:57:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Ironwolf http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/490#comment-48779 Ironwolf Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:06:36 +0000 http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/490#comment-48779 So soon already? Yep, time to flip another burger. Please join me <a href="http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/492" rel="nofollow">over here</a>. So soon already? Yep, time to flip another burger. Please join me over here.

]]> By: Weinland Watch http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/490#comment-48774 Weinland Watch Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:45:12 +0000 http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/490#comment-48774 Observant "critics" will also note that Weinland has already set a precedent for cutting and running when he can no longer stand the heat: He did it to at least one <a HREF="http://weinlandwatch.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/a-former-member-of-weinlands-ucg-congregation-speaks-out/#comment-371" rel="nofollow">Worldwide Church of God</a> congregation, and he followed it up some time later with a repeat performance at his <a HREF="http://weinlandwatch.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/a-former-member-of-weinlands-ucg-congregation-speaks-out/" rel="nofollow">United Church of God</a> congregation. In both cases, members of each congregation did not know Weinland was leaving, until it was a done deal. Even money says that this is exactly what he plans to do on the 17th April, to the CoG-PKG. If he doesn't play either of the "Waaaaait until Julyyyyyyy!" or "The bride of christ wasn't ready." cards. Observant “critics” will also note that Weinland has already set a precedent for cutting and running when he can no longer stand the heat: He did it to at least one Worldwide Church of God congregation, and he followed it up some time later with a repeat performance at his United Church of God congregation.

In both cases, members of each congregation did not know Weinland was leaving, until it was a done deal. Even money says that this is exactly what he plans to do on the 17th April, to the CoG-PKG. If he doesn’t play either of the “Waaaaait until Julyyyyyyy!” or “The bride of christ wasn’t ready.” cards.

]]> By: Todaysfate http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/490#comment-48773 Todaysfate Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:37:29 +0000 http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/490#comment-48773 If a nuke (or nukes) goes off on April 17th ... what I am going to believe is that some very, very evil people are in power in this world. Not that Ron W is a prophet of God. I simply believe that something like this will only happen if its "allowed" to happen. Does that mean that Ron W had some kind of inside knowledge that didn't come from God? Maybe. I wonder if the Pressident of the United States is planning to be in Washington when the pope is. I wonder if Bill and or Hillary are going to be in New York when the pope is. Clues are subtle .... If a nuke (or nukes) goes off on April 17th … what I am going to believe is that some very, very evil people are in power in this world. Not that Ron W is a prophet of God. I simply believe that something like this will only happen if its “allowed” to happen.

Does that mean that Ron W had some kind of inside knowledge that didn’t come from God? Maybe.

I wonder if the Pressident of the United States is planning to be in Washington when the pope is. I wonder if Bill and or Hillary are going to be in New York when the pope is.

Clues are subtle ….

]]> By: Firestorm http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/490#comment-48771 Firestorm Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:29:47 +0000 http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/490#comment-48771 RW: "I will do exactly what I said I would do on aaaaall those interviews that I have held." Alright-y then! So according to this the closest day has to be on May 1...but no later. ...unless of course it's some sort of spiritual mega blast on the scale of spiritually being shocked and horror-ed. A terrible (non happening) example set for all his spiritual happening predictions...the last one should be on the increase btw...but all I 'experience' is the birds chirping outside... It sure 'pays off' to play the guessing game. RW: “I will do exactly what I said I would do on aaaaall those interviews that I have held.”
Alright-y then! So according to this the closest day has to be on May 1…but no later. …unless of course it’s some sort of spiritual mega blast on the scale of spiritually being shocked and horror-ed. A terrible (non happening) example set for all his spiritual happening predictions…the last one should be on the increase btw…but all I ‘experience’ is the birds chirping outside…
It sure ‘pays off’ to play the guessing game.

]]> By: Weinland Watch http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/490#comment-48770 Weinland Watch Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:25:28 +0000 http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/490#comment-48770 Weinland Transcripted: That's a good starting point. I plan to get some verbatim quotes from the sermon up from it. The only (minor) quibble I have with the transcript is that Passover is the 18th, not the 14th. I completely blanked on that part at the end about Weinland calling for the critics' deaths LOL that's too precious. For all those "waiting" until April 17th to declare him false, Weinland will have skipped town by/on that date, and he's telling church members to wait until Pentecost (June) or possibly July, now. Of course with Matthews' letter, the church has given itself six months to a year's worth of wiggle room. Weinland Transcripted: That’s a good starting point. I plan to get some verbatim quotes from the sermon up from it. The only (minor) quibble I have with the transcript is that Passover is the 18th, not the 14th.

I completely blanked on that part at the end about Weinland calling for the critics’ deaths LOL that’s too precious.

For all those “waiting” until April 17th to declare him false, Weinland will have skipped town by/on that date, and he’s telling church members to wait until Pentecost (June) or possibly July, now. Of course with Matthews’ letter, the church has given itself six months to a year’s worth of wiggle room.

]]> By: Todaysfate http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/490#comment-48766 Todaysfate Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:11:15 +0000 http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/490#comment-48766 Trey, Ive come to the conclusion that the "end times" are NOW ... before I ever heard of Ron Wienland ... or Herbert W Armstrong .... or the COG, Splinters groups etc. Why? I simply believe that the world has gone to shit over that last few years ... JUST the last few years ... more seriously and faster than it could ever have "naturally" .... When I say "world" I am talking about PEOPLE ... not oceans and mountains. Whether you want to call this Satan running rampant in the hearts and minds of almost ALL humanity ... or not ... THAT is what it is. Richards comment that Ron could perhaps be THE false prophet ... is even better ... Dare I say that Ron could even turn out to be ... *gasp* .. the anticrist. Hitler didn't become powerful overnight niether. And if this is what happens ... then the end time IS HERE man. On the time issue ... do you believe that God posesses people and litterally controls their actions? You shoudn't because God says that he does not and WILL not. Therefore ... if a prophet of God came and told the world that YOU were going to walk accross the street at 2:PM .... YOU have the "God given" choice, will and freedom to decide NOT to .... basiclly for no other reason that OUT OF SPITE. Or is it that you feel that some sort of power will come over you ... and you won't be able to help but to cross the street. In realtion to "BOMBS" going off....... WE CAN change what we are going to do based on the information we are given. I never said that GOD doesn't know this aleady... it only looks like that to us.. er ... to YOU. But there really is no way for God to tell the rest of us something is going to happen ... without giving the perpetrators the heads up as well ... and THEY CAN change their minds. Natural calamities are a different matter ... but Ron W hasn't given an exact date for anything like that. As I believe most of us agree ... ANYTHING caused by man isn't realiable prrof ... even if it happens on April 17th. Trey,

Ive come to the conclusion that the “end times” are NOW … before I ever heard of Ron Wienland … or Herbert W Armstrong …. or the COG, Splinters groups etc.

Why?

I simply believe that the world has gone to shit over that last few years … JUST the last few years … more seriously and faster than it could ever have “naturally” ….

When I say “world” I am talking about PEOPLE … not oceans and mountains. Whether you want to call this Satan running rampant in the hearts and minds of almost ALL humanity … or not … THAT is what it is.

Richards comment that Ron could perhaps be THE false prophet … is even better … Dare I say that Ron could even turn out to be … *gasp* .. the anticrist. Hitler didn’t become powerful overnight niether. And if this is what happens … then the end time IS HERE man.

On the time issue … do you believe that God posesses people and litterally controls their actions? You shoudn’t because God says that he does not and WILL not.

Therefore … if a prophet of God came and told the world that YOU were going to walk accross the street at 2:PM …. YOU have the “God given” choice, will and freedom to decide NOT to …. basiclly for no other reason that OUT OF SPITE. Or is it that you feel that some sort of power will come over you … and you won’t be able to help but to cross the street.

In realtion to “BOMBS” going off……. WE CAN change what we are going to do based on the information we are given. I never said that GOD doesn’t know this aleady… it only looks like that to us.. er … to YOU. But there really is no way for God to tell the rest of us something is going to happen … without giving the perpetrators the heads up as well … and THEY CAN change their minds.

Natural calamities are a different matter … but Ron W hasn’t given an exact date for anything like that. As I believe most of us agree … ANYTHING caused by man isn’t realiable prrof … even if it happens on April 17th.

]]> By: Trey http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/490#comment-48763 Trey Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:25:03 +0000 http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/490#comment-48763 Todays fate! Please!!!!!!!! Oh my God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 I have been away reading and posting inanother blog I comeback to catch up on this one. You have gotten so friggin twisted in tha last couple of days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have to ask you a question. A serious one. 1 Do you believe inthe Bible? or not? If you do then your statements about people changing God's plans or God telling a prophet to change a date is ****--F***ING BULL_SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ron has a grip on you!!!!!!1 and you will follow him down the tubes. If you actually believe what you say about man and God. God does what He wants NOT what MAN wants. That is only if you believe the Bible though. If a person is a prophet of God there wil be no need to cahnge any thing he has said. First, he is chosen of God and would not ramble stupid things. 2, his message would not stray from God's in any way shape or form. Show me an example of that any where in the Bible. And Show me any example of God telling any prophet to change any date about any thing!!!!!!!!!!! You are obviously reading a differrent book!!!! 2008 God's Final Witness? Oh wait, The Prophesied Endtime? Are those your Bible now? If you would have been some one other than an apparently proclaimed christian I would have said nothing to you, but since you claom to be one and a Bible believer..... Get your SHIT straight man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Trey Todays fate! Please!!!!!!!!
Oh my God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I have been away reading and posting inanother blog
I comeback to catch up on this one. You have gotten so friggin twisted in tha last couple of days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have to ask you a question. A serious one.
1 Do you believe inthe Bible? or not? If you do then your statements about people changing God’s plans or God telling a prophet to change a date is
****–F***ING BULL_SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ron has a grip on you!!!!!!1 and you will follow him down the tubes. If you actually believe what you say about man and God.
God does what He wants NOT what MAN wants. That is only if you believe the Bible though.

If a person is a prophet of God there wil be no need to cahnge any thing he has said. First, he is chosen of God and would not ramble stupid things. 2, his message would not stray from God’s in any way shape or form. Show me an example of that any where in the Bible. And Show me any example of God telling any prophet to change any date about any thing!!!!!!!!!!! You are obviously reading a differrent book!!!! 2008 God’s Final Witness? Oh wait, The Prophesied Endtime? Are those your Bible now?

If you would have been some one other than an apparently proclaimed christian I would have said nothing to you, but since you claom to be one and a Bible believer…..
Get your SHIT straight man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trey

]]> By: Richard_Saunders http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/490#comment-48760 Richard_Saunders Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:10:23 +0000 http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/490#comment-48760 Doug, thanks for the post. He wouldn't want to be in my shoes on April 17th, or Pentecost at the latest. I wonder... maybe in September 2011, the return of Jesus is supposed to ramp up? It takes a while to get here from Heaven. I think this RW could seriously be written about in the Bible. He just might be THE False Prophet of Revelation. Doug, thanks for the post. He wouldn’t want to be in my shoes on April 17th, or Pentecost at the latest.
I wonder… maybe in September 2011, the return of Jesus is supposed to ramp up? It takes a while to get here from Heaven.

I think this RW could seriously be written about in the Bible. He just might be THE False Prophet of Revelation.

]]> By: Doug http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/490#comment-48755 Doug Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:41:28 +0000 http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/490#comment-48755 Here is the transcription of yesterdays sermon 3/29/08 at http://weinlandtranscripted.wordpress.com/ Here is the transcription of yesterdays sermon 3/29/08 at http://weinlandtranscripted.wordpress.com/

]]> By: Richard_Saunders http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/490#comment-48750 Richard_Saunders Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:34:07 +0000 http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/490#comment-48750 Weinland claimed 10 years ago that the end was going to begin in a year. Didn't happen. He goes on the radio, going on 5 years ago now, and claims if these cataclisms he forecasts don't happen from 2007 to 2008 he's a false prophet and a rambler. [Listen to the WSPD radio interview with Denny Shaffer. No, seriously, listen to it!] (I actually heard that live.) Didn't happen. Then he says NO! No, we're only supposed to START in four years. Good save! Didn't happen. In 2007 he writes a book that he claims is inspired directly from the mouth of a messenger from God and he personally chose the sign - he chose the 5th thunder. Some specific things were to happen in 2007, namely the deaths of very specific people as the fulfillment of the 5th thunder. Stakes his reputation on its accuracy. God Himself supposedly said "Ron, you choose the 5th thunder that I didn't let the Apostle John write. It's all about you, buddy." Doesn't happen. He comes out and says NO! No, they were only supposed to ramp up in 2007; they'll be real loud in early 2008. He comes out this year after his forecasts failed and he says, in a nutshell, "I know God inspired that book, let me choose the 5th thunder and all, told me to spread the word about the book, and I staked my reputation on the book, but now He tells me it wasn't time for me to understand and He's changed the whole... I mean, accurately told me the meaning of things." So, trash the words of that 2008 book, they weren't well worded when they were given to him directly by a messenger from God a few short months before their fulfillment. NOW he's got it right. All those things in Daniel and Revelation and the Minor Prophets and the Epistles and his own books that talk about very specific things that are supposed to happen in a very specific order (like the rise of the Beast, who is completely absent right now) etc were actually talking about peace in the church - HIS church.... ..... .... ok. Anyhow, since the 1290 began we're supposed to see his church growing. That's it. That's the end time. This is the time of Satan's wrath right now, according to him. And I'm not feeling it. Perhaps there will be some destruction in April on the 17th, but when that fails maybe we'll get his latest revelation on why we misunderstood and it wasn't time for us to know yet. Now, even though the end was supposed to start in 1998, we're in 2008 waiting for the end to start. His radio interview said in 2007-2008 it would be all over; we'll know in 2011. FALL of 2011. Which pretty much makes it 2012. Just enough time for him to sock away boatloads of ill-gotten lucre, much the same as he did to his previous church based in Toledo back in 1999-2000, and his previous church before that to a lesser degree in Pennsylvania in the early 1990's. How many of you think that in 2012 he'll come out and say "God spoke to me again and He says the bride hasn't made herself ready. He's going to have to put you through a longer time of testing to weed out all you people He called in that just aren't true believers."??? I DO. He'll give a new target date, let's say, ohhhhh 2015. And that's how it will go. I believe in a literal end. I believe in the core of what Ron is preaching because if I believe in the Bible I have to believe that stuff. I believe it is ONLY important to know the prophecy verses, NOT to listen to anyone who tries to explain them, so that when those things come you will see it for yourself. If more people did that, we could have avoided this whole Ron Weinland mess. Weinland claimed 10 years ago that the end was going to begin in a year. Didn’t happen. He goes on the radio, going on 5 years ago now, and claims if these cataclisms he forecasts don’t happen from 2007 to 2008 he’s a false prophet and a rambler. [Listen to the WSPD radio interview with Denny Shaffer. No, seriously, listen to it!] (I actually heard that live.) Didn’t happen. Then he says NO! No, we’re only supposed to START in four years. Good save! Didn’t happen. In 2007 he writes a book that he claims is inspired directly from the mouth of a messenger from God and he personally chose the sign - he chose the 5th thunder. Some specific things were to happen in 2007, namely the deaths of very specific people as the fulfillment of the 5th thunder. Stakes his reputation on its accuracy. God Himself supposedly said “Ron, you choose the 5th thunder that I didn’t let the Apostle John write. It’s all about you, buddy.” Doesn’t happen. He comes out and says NO! No, they were only supposed to ramp up in 2007; they’ll be real loud in early 2008. He comes out this year after his forecasts failed and he says, in a nutshell, “I know God inspired that book, let me choose the 5th thunder and all, told me to spread the word about the book, and I staked my reputation on the book, but now He tells me it wasn’t time for me to understand and He’s changed the whole… I mean, accurately told me the meaning of things.” So, trash the words of that 2008 book, they weren’t well worded when they were given to him directly by a messenger from God a few short months before their fulfillment. NOW he’s got it right. All those things in Daniel and Revelation and the Minor Prophets and the Epistles and his own books that talk about very specific things that are supposed to happen in a very specific order (like the rise of the Beast, who is completely absent right now) etc were actually talking about peace in the church - HIS church….
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ok.
Anyhow, since the 1290 began we’re supposed to see his church growing. That’s it. That’s the end time. This is the time of Satan’s wrath right now, according to him. And I’m not feeling it. Perhaps there will be some destruction in April on the 17th, but when that fails maybe we’ll get his latest revelation on why we misunderstood and it wasn’t time for us to know yet. Now, even though the end was supposed to start in 1998, we’re in 2008 waiting for the end to start. His radio interview said in 2007-2008 it would be all over; we’ll know in 2011. FALL of 2011. Which pretty much makes it 2012. Just enough time for him to sock away boatloads of ill-gotten lucre, much the same as he did to his previous church based in Toledo back in 1999-2000, and his previous church before that to a lesser degree in Pennsylvania in the early 1990’s.

How many of you think that in 2012 he’ll come out and say “God spoke to me again and He says the bride hasn’t made herself ready. He’s going to have to put you through a longer time of testing to weed out all you people He called in that just aren’t true believers.”??? I DO. He’ll give a new target date, let’s say, ohhhhh 2015. And that’s how it will go.

I believe in a literal end. I believe in the core of what Ron is preaching because if I believe in the Bible I have to believe that stuff. I believe it is ONLY important to know the prophecy verses, NOT to listen to anyone who tries to explain them, so that when those things come you will see it for yourself. If more people did that, we could have avoided this whole Ron Weinland mess.

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