Ron Weinland: Discussion Part 12
Happy April Fool’s Day, folks! Although the timing of his big prank is a little off, my favorite April Fool Ron Weinland says there are only 16 days to go before… well apparently he hasn’t the foggiest idea! Heh, that’s a good one Ron; you’re such a kidder.
Part 1 Basic info and links.
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5 FAQ
Part 6
Part 7
Part 8
Part 9
Part 10
Part 11
April 1st, 2008 at 8:15 am
Jack - You might be on to something about the idea of the elders working in real jobs. I know personally some ex-pastors of CoG’s that have never been able to find meaningful employment. I’m not sure as to the reason - the ones I know have limited people skills and working in a team environment is not their forte. Also, their education (especially if it was from AC) is not of much credibility.
It appears that when the safety net of WCG went out the window for RW he has been running frantic ever since. Coming up with one scheme after another to make a living - bilking people and congregations of money.
What possibly this started out as a knee jerk reaction to ‘making a living’ morphed into this wild eyed end time scheme and then he began believing in himself. Now we are here and we see the results.
RW could have had some type of mental breakdown through all the stress of WCG blowing up. Now those of us with family tied up in his organization are unwitting accomplices to his plan to make a name for himself.
April 1st, 2008 at 8:16 am
GOOD ONE! I think RW can use today as a way out and just say “APRIL FOOLS” —- WW - I figured out that for myslef but just wanted some verification. Its not BRAIN SURGERY to realize that , for lack of skills, there really is no other choice then to “START A CHRUCH”…Its one thing to choose to give your life to God vs I gots NOTHING ELSE going on in my life…Hmmmm. GOD!!!!!! -
April 1st, 2008 at 8:22 am
Yes Marie!
Those past WCG ministers losing jobs and realizing in the REAL world people don’t care that you graduated for AC. The real world wants to know what your skills are…..
Anyway, these guys probably did have some major emotional breakdowns over it. Most men do have emotional issues when they lose a job.
It hurts me to think of my family following him like they do.
April 1st, 2008 at 8:39 am
oh geeezze. listen to this sermon begenning at 20:00
http://www.rweinland.com/sermons/download/11-18-06_clothed_in_wealth.mp3
April 1st, 2008 at 8:44 am
how many contradictions can one man throw out. If your answer is “I don’t know” then you shouldn’t be talking about it.
April 1st, 2008 at 8:46 am
By the way… a family member of mine who is in a different splinter from RW told me he was looking up something on “anthropology” on the web and a pop up ad for RW came onto the screen. It was advertizing his book.
April 1st, 2008 at 8:51 am
yeah, we don’t know…
you must always be alert…
Must recognize the seriousness of the time we live in…
2008 to the splinter groups is insane!
in 2008 we will be struggling the best we can, to keep the passover…..
HE says here in this 2006 message….it could take a year and a half after the sound of the 1st trumpet for the earth to begin to be destroyed.
He is saying 1/3 of the earth can be destroyed…fast…a month? two?
WE DON’T KNOW…….
April 1st, 2008 at 8:52 am
RW would say that was a sign from God giving them the opportunity to convert. No telling how much money they are giving to google for that.
April 1st, 2008 at 9:04 am
2006: “We don’t know”…
2008: Now he knows?? April, no wait -July! He’s running out of time…and excuses.
April 1st, 2008 at 9:05 am
Re: That 2006 sermon: This must have been when he was first feeling out the congregation, to see if they would accept him, hook line and sinker.
I don’t know. It’s hard to tell, from the outside looking in (even though I have a bit of an “inside” vantage point given my history), whether or not Weinland is actually drinking his own Kool-Aid. Sometimes I think yes. Sometimes I think know.
Clearly the misdirection and uncertainty works in his favour. Keeps the sheep stupid too.
April 1st, 2008 at 9:07 am
NO not know. Ugh. Needs more coffee………
April 1st, 2008 at 9:08 am
But what his followers will say…. “He has always said, from the beginning, God could change things up a bit. RW has always said to be ready because we really don’t know EXACTLY how it will all go down… SEE? EVEN in 2006 when he wrote the book…his messages shows he doesn’t KNOW EXACTLY”
It is a way the membership can cling to him as being the witness…
He will be proven false…mostly because of his angry tirades when he spouts off at the mouth…
Problem is…will his followers believe he is false….I don’t think they will.
April 1st, 2008 at 9:09 am
OH GOSH, ALL THESE CHURCHES…Cant we all be Catholic….DONT HATE!!!!!!!! lolololol
April 1st, 2008 at 9:10 am
I am drinking MOCHA coffee!
I’ll be climbing the walls sooooon!
April 1st, 2008 at 9:14 am
If you listen more to that sermon I posted, he keeps talking about January 13th 2006 being the date something big would happen
April 1st, 2008 at 9:14 am
Bahhhhhhh! The Journal may not be the most impartial journalistic source when it comes to the Churches of God, but check out what made the front cover of the latest issue! (PDF file)
They’re basically going through a debunking Weinland’s “thunders” (you need to subscribe to the print edition to get the full article), but the key thing to notice is Weinland’s mug shot. It looks nothing like the oh-so-polished-profit-of-god on the back cover of the book.
April 1st, 2008 at 9:18 am
All THESE churches!!!
Yeah, that is why I don’t follow any “church”…. I attend lots of them…
I love being around people who love Jesus, but I don’t give “membership” and I don’t follow any certain religion…any certain church…
I’m bizzare to my family! !! they believe there is ONLY ONE true church…ONE TRUE leader… They believe it MUST be that way…. Some of them believe I have “some sort of connection” to God, but it is unexplainable so they don’t dwell on it. But they TRUELY don’t see how ANYONE can “belong” to God and NOT affiliate SOMEWHERE….
They know I am not a member of any “church” so they don’t believe I can “stay connected” to God.
It is NUTS!!!
Who SAYS….WHERE DOES IT SAY in scripture you MuST belong to a certain group or church…. I believe it is a “western” way of religion… A corporate mindset…
April 1st, 2008 at 9:33 am
Ladies and gentlemen, put your hands together and join me in prayer! Presenting none other than Yooooour End-Time Witness, Rooooooooooooooooooooooonald WEIN-LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND!
April 1st, 2008 at 9:34 am
April 1st, 2008 at 9:35 am
Ah hell.
April 1st, 2008 at 9:36 am
A more serious issue than Weinland………………..
Folks, I have lived through many false Prophets. I have watched the censorship of our media. I have watched our political parties care more about which party wins, than doing whats right. As a History major, I have studied the repetition of these same mistakes throughout time.
There is an issue that concerns me more than Ron Weinland’s words being false.
For everyone of us that has posted or watched the words of this great Blog, there are millions that are becoming immune to “The sky is falling” mindset. We have watched and talked about Ron and the Revelation. For some of us we believe, some of us do not. Some of us argue, because we enjoy the battle!
But as the World turns and becomes less healthy. As Religion is the main cause of our wars. As our gas prices increase and our food becomes tainted……….and so on.
These false Prophets, do one thing. They teach people to believe in nothing. They see deadlines come and go, with no results, be it good or bad. The world’s population goes on believing that its life as usual and nothing ever will happen.
This creates a false sense of security and normalacy, that I believe will not continue. All the changes we are experiencing, will only get worse, because people are becoming immune to common sense.
I was told as a child, that if you live your life by common sense alone, the rest is luck. Ron Weinland and those like him have successfully, taken away the common sense of the masses and because they do not join forums like this, because they cower in their churches. Because they believe the first thing they are told by the media……….we run the likely risk of creating our own Megiddo……..
Was that over the top?……..I can never tell………Peace.
April 1st, 2008 at 9:42 am
Try this instead. It’s the mug shot that was printed in The Journal.
April 1st, 2008 at 9:44 am
I think the stretch-y wwwwait till ‘Pentecost’ thing is meant for church ears only. (*cough* nor can it be found in his 2 books)
Now if the congregation only looks for spiritual signs of the end. Then I’m afraid I cant help in that area…in that case why not skip middleman Ronald?
RW claims God is revealing things to him (before or after?) but now it
seems he does not know what God is revealing to him. If he does not know
and or is simply confused about it…Then why…why declear yourself an end time witness/prophet? Is God going to get mad at him because…uhh
he does not understand God’s message?
What happens if you fail to meet your responsibilities and the duties set out for you by God? Currently he is not doing a very good job. He certainly botched-up the spiritual happenings (by not explaining them at all after they have occurred) and did some sort of switch-a-roo with a physical happening to a spiritual one. Unless of course you can negotiate
with your corporate-god. Which would contradict Jonah refusing to be Gods Prophet and God persisting that he do so.
I think Ronald needs to work in a team of more then 2 people…rather then lone-WOLFING it all by himself. (remember his job is not ‘official’ yet…aka run with the loot?)
April 1st, 2008 at 9:51 am
Hey Chester,
YOU make a very good point!
April 1st, 2008 at 9:52 am
RW is FULFILLING prophecy by being a false prophet…….
April 1st, 2008 at 10:00 am
Somehow I don’t think Deut. 18:20
is going to be fulfilled, Banncam. At least not “supernaturally”. But that’s just the atheist in me talking. I’m not a big believer in karma, either; according to the list of Weinland’s past sins, he should have gone for a crispy swim long before this……………..
April 1st, 2008 at 10:01 am
Well said Chester Mosely…I dont think Ron is gonna appear though as he has no control over peoples thoughts on this forum and he might come undone by Ironwolf,Weinland Watch..etc…i suppose none of his congregation dare question any of his predictions…His comment about one and all on this forum is..”They are all sick and twisted”,which i spose is a good excuse for him not to answer anyone here…When it came to the Radio Interviewers most of them were clueless as to religion and Christianity..Well this forum has a lot of educated questions to pose to Ron..Enough to maybe discredit him??..Enough to keep Ronald W away from here?..Its o.k though..no need for answers as Everyone on here is qoute from Ron..”sick and twisted”….what a croc…
April 1st, 2008 at 10:02 am
AMEN!!!! CHESTER
April 1st, 2008 at 10:04 am
In one of his radio interviews he makes reference to the ‘boy who cried wolf’ and that no one is going to be believe and ‘why should they?’ and that God will provide the evidence and God always does.(something along those lines)
Still waiting for that April physical evidence (it’s now April 1st lol) and yep still crying wolf!
Wolf! wolf! wolf!
April 1st, 2008 at 10:22 am
WW,
I just mean, if you believe the bible…
It says there will be many who are false prophets…
RW is one of them…
I think he’s so crazy, he’ll tell people to “go here” or “there” because Christ TOLD him He’d be there.
This is also in scripture and I believe RW is one who will say it…
April 1st, 2008 at 10:40 am
That “Journal” has been around for 11 years??
I never heard of it…
April 1st, 2008 at 10:56 am
Richard Saunders,
“Heck yes RW is sincere!! He honestly believes the lies he’s blaspheming God with.”
If he honestly believes that the world is quickly coming to an end, and that he is God’s final witness, and that what the bible says is true (and I believe he reveres the Bible and has a relatively deep understanding of it) it then he must feel somewhere deep inside that if he is not right he is REALLY BAD!!!!!
“He is indeed feeding off you. Cut him off. I understand exactly what you’re going through. Been there!”
I am not a COG member at all. I am an Episcopalian (whole other subject) and I attend the in-depth weekly Bible Study Fellowship in my town. Coincidentally we are just now studying Matthew 24
and related scripture dealing with prophecy. So much of it is confusing. He is feeding off me because I believe things are rapidly changing, and I am really curious how long the coexisting crises of climate change, WMD, economic distress, etc. can escalate before they are brought under control by HUMANS. Yes, this blog is feeding off me, too. Thank God Ironwolf’s ‘blog and RW’s “insights” are both free. About 20 years ago, I got addicted to “General Hospital” but that was only an hour a day. My kids think I am the Grinch that stole spring break because I can’t take my eyes off these crazy issues!
Firestorm,
“On ‘Year Nearly Over’ he wrote: Beginning in February, those thunders will increase dramatically, and by April this world will begin to be shaken to its foundations. He stated that ‘everyone’ will have by the very least recognized him before this April 17th thing. So if he has his job dubbed ‘official’ and given more superhero powers (ie spew fire out of mouth, bring plagues of his choosing on the earth) he would be missing out on one detail. Nobody would even know who he is! Show me the money!”
Chester,
“As a History major, I have studied the repetition of these same mistakes throughout time… millions that are becoming immune to “The sky is falling” mindset… the world’s population goes on believing that its life as usual and nothing ever will happen… false sense of security and normalacy..”
Do you think things are worse now than they have ever been? Or is it just that I am starting to pay attention and think they are BECAUSE of reading and listening to about six hours worth of RW? For instance and specifically: the Wilkins Ice Shelf, Russia getting madder at the US for trying to get the Ukraine into NATO and put up shields there, and the great sub-prime abyss.
What do you think, Chester?
April 1st, 2008 at 11:00 am
NOW THATS WHAT I AM TALKING ‘BOUT !!!…
Take was Chester Mosley said … and add this little bit to it …
As real deadlines come and go … as false prophets continue to “cry wolf” … and as the masses start to believe in “nothing” …. we silently and every so subtlely destroy ourseleves and the plannet we live on.
That happening … IS the end time.
I don’t know what the threshold is …. but doesn’t it make sense from Gods point of view … then when the day comes that so many do not believe anymore … that that is when he will decide to show us?
The more Ron is false … the more others are false … the more we all lose our faith … the closer we are.
Someone once cried “forgive them, for they know not what they do”…
We my friends are about to find out.
April 1st, 2008 at 11:01 am
I never heard of The Journal either, Banncam; apparently it started as an “underground” publication around the time of the changes, calling itself In Transition. (Things would have been dramatically different in my family, if we had had access to this publication in ‘94-’96, I can tell you that.)
The current “Journal” is pretty much a CoG-sympathetic organ: Although it doesn’t favour one splinter over another, the editor is involved with both the United Church of God, and Church of God Big Sandy (Dave Havir’s splinter) in Texas, and its “reportage” is very heavily US-centred.
Notably, the publication is not very rigourous in its journalism: The WCG membership statistics, for example, are published “as is” by the paper, despite the fact that there were discrepancies with these numbers, between at least three different sources (all provided by Worldwide). Since the paper is pro-Church of God, it is not going to point out these types of things, which is where sites like Ambassador Watch and Ambassador Reports are so crucial. In my opinion.
So yeah, the Feast of Tabernacles reports and DoUB recipes are pretty much the only accurate journalism “The Journal” engages in. But it’s still a good publication to keep an eye on, to see what’s up in the US Churches of God splinters.
But anyway back to Weinland: Whaddaya think of that mug shot?!
April 1st, 2008 at 11:16 am
Todaysfate,
I want to step in here and say something: I believe your type is ultimately actually worse than Weinland. Why?
1) You definitely believe the world is “going to end soon,” and that we are ultimately helpless to prevent it, but
2) You don’t predict specific dates, so you are unfalsifiable and can run around like Chicken Little, playing on peoples’ irrational fears forever, and
3) For every “Weinland” out there, there are a thousand “Todaysfates.”
Ultimately, I think you are just as false as Weinland— except that your ilk has a chance of making your “prophecies” self-fulfilling.
April 1st, 2008 at 11:22 am
Here is the thing … Chetster hit the nail on the head more than once…
Here is some of his quotes — don’t mind if I use them more than once.
“… millions that are becoming immune to “The sky is falling” mindset…”
“But as the World turns and becomes less healthy. As Religion is the main cause of our wars. As our gas prices increase and our food becomes tainted”
“the censorship of our media.”
“our political parties care more about which party wins, than doing whats right.”
“The world’s population goes on believing that its life as usual and nothing ever will happen.”
“All the changes we are experiencing, will only get worse, because people are becoming immune to common sense.”
Ron W aside … these are the things about us that the “actual” prophets of the old testiment and the book of revalations say WILL happen.
Ron W being false fills biblical prophesy as well. One step closer … It just simply means we are not yet at the time of the two witnesses.
The only way for us to know is to look for OTHER proof. Whcih I think is all arround us.
April 1st, 2008 at 11:23 am
weinlandwatch…. LOL you’re cracking me up!
April 1st, 2008 at 11:27 am
Listener, to answer your question yes they are worse now. To destroy a nation or a group of people hundreds of years ago took a long time. For that destruction to reverberate around the world took sometimes even longer.
Once upon a time we were trusted by our word. Our word was our bond. That is not longer the case. Our word has been replaced by our governments and by our media. We learn of catastrophies, war and what celeb has overdosed in a minutes notice. What has this done…….it has made us so used to hearing these types of things going on, that again we are immune to the overall effects it has on us.
The bomb is no more effective than when Gehghis Kahn would line up his men for miles upon miles and push everything before it, man and animal, until they were encircled and then the killing would start. The trouble is the bomb is just quicker. We have been warned about it so many times, that the world throws its hands up in the air and says” Well if it happens let me be standing under it and get it over with”………..CRAP!
As a long time resident of the Florida Keys, I grew up with the Cuban/Russian crisis. We paid attention, we learned from it.
Weinland and those like him have done nothing in my opinion, but get people to clse their ears, because they are sick of hearing it. Sick of watching good people drink the cool aid only to see that the end does not come……on time.
The sad thought that I have been developing in the back of mind though….is that perhaps the only way we can cure the world and stop the spiral, is to actually have it happen. If we lose perhaps a few million people from the earth, would we use less gas, would we have no need for drugs, would we finally have the doomsayers off our backs, so we can feel human again.
April 1st, 2008 at 11:30 am
Chester Mosely,
Exactly. Self-fulfilling prophecy. You make me sick.
April 1st, 2008 at 11:33 am
Chester Mosely,
Not to mention hopelessly naïve.
April 1st, 2008 at 11:33 am
Ironwolf… you said about TF: “Ultimately, I think you are just as false as Weinland— except that your ilk has a chance of making your “prophecies” self-fulfilling.”
I SAY… YES! and YES!
I couldn’t figure out how to say that… I’m glad you did
April 1st, 2008 at 11:35 am
I agree IronWolf, the thought makes me sick too. I do not subscribe to the though that we need a self fulling prophecy. I am not one that wants to stand under the bomb. But I think the stupidity of humankind, coupled with theie willingness to let thw world continue on the path that it is on, we eventually bring us there.
4 million years of history surrounds earth. We have managed to screw it up in about a half a second.
April 1st, 2008 at 11:36 am
Thank you for the personal attack………..how sad.
April 1st, 2008 at 11:42 am
Chester Mosely,
I don’t know you, but I know the kind of person you are. I am not attacking you, but your ideas are repulsive.
And if I can only figure out how to get all of your type to launch yourselves into the sun, the next half-second and far beyond would have a much better chance of going well.
April 1st, 2008 at 11:55 am
So to blame me would be to blame yourself would it not? Why did you start this blog. Was it your undying belief in that Weinland is expounding? I think not.
But you are right about one thing. I do not have much faith in humanities thinking. Nor much faith on our ability to fix things. I do believe that it is in our nature to be self destructive and to be lead by the nose.
Thank you for posting this blog IronWolf, because it does get people thinking. It does cause discussion that affects our lives. It does expose people for what they are, like Ron Weinland or myself……or you.
April 1st, 2008 at 11:55 am
Iron, and Everybody …
Point well taken… but if the whole Bible, God, End times, Jesus, Jews, Prophets, Adam, Eve, Noah …. if it is all true … then I believe two things…
1. That NO orginzied church can have it right entirely including COGPKG…
2. The only way the prophesy of revalations and the end times will come tp pass is if it IS self fullfilled to some extent. Why? because as you pointed out very well … it would be lunacy for a God to do these things “to” us on purpose.
I didn’t think “the end” was near until recently … about last september before I learned who Ron W was, or any of the Herbert Armstrong crap.
I came to this conclusion based on my observations over just the last few years of what I believe has been no less than the complete unravelling of the worlds ethical and moral fabric. And yes … perhaps its mostly in America. Only after extensive research did I come to believe I was not just opening my eyes to something that has always been happening.
There are studies that prove that the indiviual human simply lives “better” with some sort of religious belief behind it … so whether it be true or not it’s what we need. There are some excpetions.
Doesn’t mean my first impulse is to go into a cave in russia and starve, or to go down to south america to ingest cyanide pills, or to walk into a university with an uzi. My impulse is to live a good life … much like you have described can exist without God … but to also live it while trying like hell to not EVER believe there are excuses to live “bad” … even sometimes.
If the whole Bible, God, End times, Jesus, Jews, Prophets, Adam, Eve, Noah …. if it is all make believe … then it simply means we are going to die at our own hands… and fast … because on a coimpletely physical level .. this world can’t sustain us much longer. It happening whether its part of God plan … or mans plan… but I will let Peter speculate on that.
Hope that helps clears up what “type” I am.
April 1st, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Banncam,
If you do not believe in an “end times” at all …… then I don’t understand how you can believe in a “Christain” God. Or let me put it this way … a “creator”.
Thats kinda the deal breaker for the whole thing in my mind.
Don’t you believe that God can come here if he wants to … or that he can be “mad” as his children if he darn well pleases?
Or let me put it this way… don’t you believe that a “creator” has the power, the right, and the inclination to take care of his creation … or even SAVE it if it its in trouble?
Sure … take a side on Ron W… and isolate that … but you can’t go there without looking at the bigger picture and ask these questions….
Are you in trouble?
Are we in trouble?
Is the WORLD in trouble?
Is ANYONE in the world in any kind of trouble?
Don’t run from the answer … as Chester brilliantly has suggested most of us do.
And on just about everything else… you are more my “type” that Ironwolfs.
April 1st, 2008 at 12:26 pm
listener,
Never mind all that stuff I said that was nice to you. Mocking Ron Weinland is one thing. I hope you weren’t mocking his victims. Mocking his victims…. that’s just wrong.
April 1st, 2008 at 12:36 pm
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/more-leave-doomsday-cult-bunker/20080401124309990001
Just interesting…Some Russian cult members coming out of their cave…
“The cult members had earlier said they would not come out before the apocalypse, which their leader Pavel Kuznetsov — who is now undergoing court-ordered psychiatric treatment — had predicted would happen in April or May this year.”
They were thinking April or May as well. That’s why I thought it might be on topic.
April 1st, 2008 at 12:42 pm
People,
It is a struggle to be human. It has always been a struggle to be human. It has always been a struggle to be alive. When you hear the news, you get a snapshot of that struggle. Another day, another snapshot. Struggle. Struggle. Struggle. This should not surprise you. The Earth has been around for billions of years, and we and our recent ancestors have been around for millions of years— and people who stick their heads in the sand about the truths that science reveals to us, including the age of the earth and evolution, can go fuck themselves. That’s hundreds of thousands of generations, people! Your lineage extends back that far.
It’s true we now have the capability to completely wipe ourselves out. It is true that we are more aware than ever about things that are wrong, or could go wrong. These capabilities and knowledge are grave responsibilities. But people like Todaysfate, Chester Mosley, and yes, Ronald Weinland would have you believe that it is too much for us: that we should cease our struggle. They would tell you that millennia of human progress have somehow been backwards, and that you should simply lie down and accept what they tell you is your God-ordained fate. And their evidence? Their authority? A moldy book of primitive, superstitious nonsense.
Listen to them! Listen to their fatalism, their apathy, their misanthropy! Their utter disdain for everything positive that humanity has struggled for! They want you to willingly follow them into a mass grave and drag the rest of humanity— your brothers and sisters— along with you! This is their fondest wish! And they lie to you that it is your only choice.
These people would have you believe that the Big Bad Atheists are the haters. But these “good” Christians are truly doing they what think their “god of ultimate love” wants them to do: hate the world.
April 1st, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Ron Saunders,
I am not mocking anybody. I am really just fascinated by all this stuff. What in particular made you think I was?
April 1st, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Todaysfate: “Don’t run from the answer … as Chester brilliantly has suggested most of us do.”
?
…what…answers?
Ronald? - Haughty! NO! (and or dramatic silence followed by brainwashed nodding) then Truly, truly, truly!
Sorry no answers here.
Only questions.
April 1st, 2008 at 12:59 pm
IronWolf….slow down and reread what I have written. To lump me in with Ron is again an attack. I have attacked no one here. I also stated that I am NOT one to stand under the bomb. That I DO NOT want to see it happen. But in this life, I DO NOT often get what I want. Yes I DO NOT have faith that we will pull back from the brink. I am merely expressing that I believe it will take an event to make people learn from their mistakes.
And this started with my opinion that its people like RW that close peoples ears to learning BEFORE an event happens.
I have obviously unintentionally struck a pet peeve with you and I am sorry you became so.
I DO NOT want any of the things you have accused me of wanting and this is the funniest part……I am not Christian or aethiest…………I am a card carrying Wiccan that crys for the dying of our earth.
April 1st, 2008 at 1:04 pm
An apocalyptic Wiccan? Now I really have seen it all………
April 1st, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Ironwolf:
“These people would have you believe that the Big Bad Atheists are the haters. But these “good” Christians are truly doing what they think their “god of ultimate love” wants them to do: hate the world.“
Hear hear! Whooooooo! *applause*
April 1st, 2008 at 1:10 pm
I think Ronald has already given up (discreetly) with his recent email exchange with a prospecting member. I think the letter said it will take 8-12 months for things to happen (when/whatever those things are that’s not the point.) Now 8-12 months reminds me of something you order from a magazine and it will take….yup….8-12 months for it to arrive on your doorsteps. This sounds awkward (and quite insane!). I did not know that the end-times had to be ordered trough the mail.
Truly.
Corporate.
April 1st, 2008 at 1:14 pm
listener,
“I am not mocking anybody. I am really just fascinated by all this stuff. What in particular made you think I was?”
GOOD. Cause for a second there I thought….
Never mind.
Here’s where I was:
“Here’s a word from a lurking individual who really hasn’t a clue. For crying out loud! I want some hope, some reason for the insanity. Weinland is feeding off of me! Where is God? We need him now more than ever. Nothing makes sense. HELP!!!”
I thought that was a legitimate thing you wrote there. Because me and a couple other people had just been talking about how people will feel EXACTLY like what you said. Sometimes these posts get so confuzzing.
Then when you said “I am not a COG member at all. I am an Episcopalian” That’s when I was like…. wait a minute here. Is this person needing some support, or is this person making light of the living hell these victims are going to be in? Just thought I’d clarify.
April 1st, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Ironwolf …
Come on man ….
“But people like Todaysfate, Chester Mosley, and yes, Ronald Weinland would have you believe that it is too much for us.”
People like SATAN would have you believe otherwise …
I get where you are coming from Ironwolf … but your realist aproach to the matter ISN’T making the world a better place. This method appears to have NOT WORKED over a “millenia” of grouth. IN fact … it appears to have CAUSED it.
Science cannot EXPLAIN why people naturally gravitate to hurting one another for fun or for pride … science cannot explain why we have concluded collectively that its more important we should be allowed to do things that are wrong rather than address what those wrong things are.
Start blaming the people who actually DO the wrong things rather than those who simply believe there is a reason for it.
Personally … I believe the people who invented stuff like pornography, drug use, R rated torture flicks, sexual music lyrics etc … and the people that think it should be allowed to exist to begin with because its “not a big deal”, outta be the ones to go FUCK themselves.
Study the history of film … the history of music, politics, all of the things WE create … and explain to me why its ALL going bad by the day?
Yeah .. “the crusades” were a terrible, terrible thing… but I think that an entire generation of youth who doesn’t know what it is to sit at a dinner table with family while addicted to text messaging, myspace, youtube, and “hooking up” is FAR WORSE.
April 1st, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Chester Mosley,
Then fight for it to not happen, damn you.
Sometimes we cause calamity, learn from our mistakes and go on. But you are talking about the brink of humanity’s destruction that you insist we’re going to go over, like it or not.
And your fatalism is only helping him.
See Non-apology apology.
Then your mourning is premature and you disgrace your God and Goddess. “An it harm none, do what ye will.” Do you live by that? Well, you are harming the entire world with your histrionic anticipation of the eschaton.
April 1st, 2008 at 1:48 pm
The problem with the “laid back” mentality of the world going to crack is that everyone is isolated…
“Well… I know that I should shut my lights off in order to stop global warming … thus saving my kids lives … but if all of my neighbors are doing it … then it won’t hurt anything really if I don’t.”
“As long as I teach MY KIDS to stay away from porno, sex, drugs etc… then I am happy … and screw the loser parents who don’t.”
“As long as I didn’t take out an erroneous mortgage, my family is taken care of … too bad for that family down at the shelter … they must have done something to deserve it”
THIS is the majority of the world … whether they are “religious” or not.
I’m afreaid you are overcorrectling here … LACK of concern can be just as dangerous as too much.
April 1st, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Firestorm:
“I think Ronald has already given up (discreetly) with his recent email exchange with a prospecting member. I think the letter said it will take 8-12 months for things to happen (when/whatever those things are that’s not the point.)”
Are you referring to this letter? It actually wasn’t sent by Weinland, Wayne Matthews sent it, and the church’s stance is now “6-12 months” for the start of the great tribulation after April 17th, not 8-12.
(I know I’m quibbling details but I like to be accurate about these things. Something about being called a liar repeatedly by at least one of Weinland’s toadies on here keeps me honest to a fault.)
Now Weinland himself has pushed the date of the first trumpet ahead to Pentecost or July, at least according to this past Saturday’s sermon. Of April 17th, he said repeatedly on Saturday that he didn’t “have the foggiest idea” what is going to happen on that date, except that he and his wife and the Harrells will be in Jerusalem.
Elders will be given official leadership of their respective locations this coming Saturday. That indicates Weinland is stepping back. Note I did not say stepping down, but stepping back.
This could be because of the imminent trip to “Jerusalem” April 17th with the Harrells, it could be because Weinland really believes he’s going to be “witnessing to the world” and that’s why he has “delegated” responsibility for the congregations to the elders.
This could be due to the fact that Weinland is starting to feel the heat, and is discreetly clamouring to get out of the kitchen.
Regardless, Weinland is now taking a much more hands-off approach to the day-to-day administration of the church. All that remains now is for Pentecost to pass (unless “god progressively reveals”, once July comes and goes and Weinland sprouts another divine date), and Weinland can finally drop the witness act, whether it be real or imagined in his own mind.
If the Weinlands have not disappeared completely, courtesy that Swiss bank account, by that time, that is.
April 1st, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Ironwolf:
Well, you are harming the entire world with your histrionic anticipation of the eschaton.
Hmmm…..histronics? I simply stated an opinion and asked no one to agree with it. Quite off the subject we have taken ourselves, but my relationship with my Goddess and God are mine. Not yours to comment on, which is again an attack. I have not questioned you or your beliefs. You simply have more faith in our ability to not step off the edge. I simply believe we have proved otherwise and feel that it often takes a slap in the face, to get humans to react to a situation.
Gee we kind let Hitler get along quite nicely, before the world said no more. Hitler finally provided the slap in the face needed, for us to get off our duffs and “fix” the situation.
I will tell you this, the trouble with any belief system, is that you have radicals that do not know boundries and will attack anyone who does not believe as they do.
I thought this blog was different……………which sort of bolsters my opinion.
April 1st, 2008 at 1:58 pm
TodaysFate:
I’m afreaid you are overcorrectling here … LACK of concern can be just as dangerous as too much.
Which was the only point I was trying to make. RW and Jim Jones and others have created an atmosphere of we are tired of hearing it and we dont care anymore.
April 1st, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Todaysfate,
People like “Satan” do not exist, except in the infantile imagination of people like you who want a scapegoat upon which to lay their last vestiges of personal responsibility.
So what’s the alternative? The un-realist approach? Yes, let’s try that! Let’s just do what I said you propose and just make things worse and worse until God has to save us… if he exists.
Do you not study history? Every time someone says this they do so with colossal hubris.
This is your picture of the world: people are hateful and hurtful, and that is all. That is all you want people to see.
There it is again.
Did we collectively conclude that? I must have missed the memo. Could it be that this conclusion is not the result of your “collective” poll of every one of us, but of the innately misanthropic world view your deity demands?
I don’t think you merely believe there are reasons things are wrong. I think things are wrong. The difference between us, however, is like night and day: you think it will necessarily end in destruction (based on your apocalyptic myths) and I don’t see that as an inevitability.
If you think you have a handle on some things that are wrong, then go get the real facts, i.e., the latest scientific research, and educate people about it. You might even be surprised about some of the things you learn.
Again, I must have missed the memo. I look at the world and I see bad and good. But all you see is bad, bad, bad. You see no good, not because it is not there, but because your religion incapacitates you.
Yes, they were.
You sound just like the conservatives of every elder generation, complaining about what them young whippersnappers are up to in them bushes, while conveniently forgetting that you were once young too. But for you, it’s not just the hijinks of a new generation learning to make their way in a progressing world. No, for you it’s the end of the world.
April 1st, 2008 at 2:25 pm
I don’t know about nukes in April, but I did see where Todaysfate dropped an F-bomb
April 1st, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Chester Mosley,
Problem confronts humans. Humans fix problem. Wash, rinse, repeat. End of the world? Nope, not here. But there you are in the corner, Chester, crying for the dying world.
Are you lookin’ at me? I said, are you lookin’ at me??
Seriously, if you’d read any other part of this blog, you know that I’m rather merciless when it comes to human stupidity. I’d rather shine the disinfecting sunlight of truth, and apply the stinging salve of mockery, before I’ll let people walk away hiding their festering boils of stupidity. People don’t come to me for fuzzy love— they come to me for a wake up.
April 1st, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Well you obviously covet no opinion other than your own and have turned this blog into a dictatorship. I am sorry for you. I am sorry that you feel you have to call other peoples opinions “stupid” even when it is just that, an opinion. Be well Ironwolf
April 1st, 2008 at 2:30 pm
LOL……and if you think your opinion is “the truth” ………welcome to Rons world…………….
April 1st, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Such sound and fury. I need a laugh so I’m going to go listen to “The Edge” interview with Katti and her “crappy-ass” bible again.
April 1st, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Chester Mosley,
My beliefs are just that, my beliefs, but unlike Ron’s (and apparently yours), they are provisional. They can be changed by reason and evidence. But not by your crybaby tactics.
This is an open dialog. You are welcome to say what you want as long as it’s on topic. And you are even welcome to call my ideas stupid, if you’re willing to back up your vitriol with some reason. I gave you my reasons for calling you a world-hater, along with Ronald Weinland. Dispute them if you will.
April 1st, 2008 at 2:47 pm
I just have to say that these pronouncements that the human race is doomed are bizarre at best and insane at worst. I would have never believed before arriving at this blog that an athiest would be the voice of hope and reason. That was my bad
Nothing personnel Ironwolf I never spoke to or cared to know much about an Athiest before arriving here. I have learned a great deal in my short time here. Thank you for being who you are!
I always believed that God, and the concept of God was one of hope. If to beleive in God I have to believe that our entire exsistence has been nothing other than an exercise in fuitility then I can say with all certainty that I do not believe in the same God that I hear espoused on the pages of this blog.
To characterize history as simply one mistake after the other and not recognize the effort or intention to make things better is simply denial or maybe criminal. I don’t know what history book or class this perspective came from, or how much attenton you paid in class, but I can’t imagine the writer or teacher of that history was having a very good day when they were teaching the class or writing the book. when I say history I include every second up to the time you read this response, just for the record so to speak
There is no doubt that history is full of terrible outcomes and graphic depictions of human cruelty, greed, insanity, destruction, injustice, and you name it human failings. But none of these depictions has occured in a vacuum, not any single one has not lead to a lesson learned, and an improvment or progress. The mere fact that we study history is testament to the fact that for every oppressor there were those who fought back. Who struggled against every atrocity perpetrated and took a stand for the good of all. Victory against these things is not measured by who won or lost a particualar battle, but by the fact that the battle took place, and continues to take place.
I’ve said this before and I will say this again, the battle isn’t over. Your damn right I take pride in being a human being. what the hell else can I be. Wake up people! If all you see is doom and gloom that is all you ever will see. We haven’t got it right yet, but I damn sure would rather keep trying than to line up and wait to be slaughtered. There isn’t a damn thing you can do about what other people think, except for think for yourself, take pride in who you are, and make every effort you can to be the best human being you can be. You choose whether or not to repeat history. You choose whether or not you’re going to actively contribute to the betterment of mankind or sit on your ass and watch lunatics write your history for you. Damn it your not watching a TV show, or reading a book, your living life. Your proclaiming a fate that doesn’t exist by predicting no hope. Open your eyes, open your hearts to the world that could be, not the world depicted by lessons ignored. Look for the good in you, and you will find the good in the world you live in. At the very least live your life with the very best effort you can, while you still have time to. What have you got to lose?
PS: if for no other reason than I will be the obigitory optimist on this blog I will not go away, and I refuse to let propagators of doom and gloom spew there fear based propaganda with-out opposition, IW can’t do it alone, well he can, but I’m still not goin away
April 1st, 2008 at 2:51 pm
TF,
I notice you sent a message addressed to “Banncam”.
I don’t read your posts…
Your dumb.
April 1st, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Just skimming through here it seems like the discussion is in general about what drives people to feel/think the the world is either doomed in the near future; or that that its no worse off than it ever was- and if it is- we should work to fix it.
The ‘we are doomed group’ would more likely look for a solution from a ‘Ron’ type. The question is where is this ‘we are doomed thinking/feeling coming from?
For me it’s in the ‘conspiracy’ theories that wont go away. Some like UFOs and 10th planet hold no water for me. Others, like the Illuminati’ have me thinking, false flag, war with Iran and counter terror nuke strikes from a coalition from a Russia/ China led coalition.
So even though I think Ron is false, I see todaysfate’s position, that something wicked this way comes. Not much to do about it either.
April 1st, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Sorry…
You’re dumb is correct
April 1st, 2008 at 3:03 pm
hey guys, you’ve been busy while I’ve been at work..
Paul: RW will discredit himself..he doesn’t need any help from us” sick and twisted”.
Todaysfate: What are you doing to make this old world a better place?…too much concern IS a bad thing if you don’t follow it up with action…get off your ass and do something other that bitch about it in this blog with your self-fulfilling bull-shit…hopelessness is a state of mind, not a prophecy…..I can’t believe i just cursed in writing…you got me all fired up…it’s all your fault IronWolf…you started it,
damn it!
My point is: YES , a lot of people have become desensatized .I don’t know if you are old enought, but during the Viet Nam War, we were watching it live on TV..that was truly a turning point, allowing ourselves, in general, to become desensatized to the horrors of our times as we watched people being killed right infront of our eyes…I still remember the sick feeling I had in the bottom of my stomach!…that’s how RW make me feel…like we have no recourse to a prophesized predetermined end….so, again, what are you going to do about it, other than post here….times are tough, which should make the tougher get going(what an old cliche…sorry) …We create our own desitny, and if you don’t believe that, then you might as well roll over…
April 1st, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Kurt said: For me it’s in the ‘conspiracy’ theories that wont go away. Some like UFOs and 10th planet hold no water for me. Others, like the Illuminati’ have me thinking, false flag, war with Iran and counter terror nuke strikes from a coalition from a Russia/ China led coalition.
These dumb ass conspiracy theories are coming from lunatics who figured out that there are a bunch of dumb asses out there that will pay good money to read thier crap, maybe they’re really not lunatics at all, maybe there really smart aliens that crashed landed on earth, but didn’t know how to get a real job (there kinda funny lookin ya see), so they sit around writing these conspiracy theories to finance the repairs on thier space ship…..
April 1st, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Banncam …
Now thats just silly … you addressed me first.
April 1st, 2008 at 3:21 pm
p.s it’s been a pleasure being on this thread, but as someone pointed out to me, it is consuming way too much of my time…so that said, good luck to everyone in you pursuits, I truly hope you find what you are looking for!
April 1st, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Robert S: says:
“I always believed that God, and the concept of God was one of hope. If to beleive in God I have to believe that our entire exsistence has been nothing other than an exercise in fuitility then I can say with all certainty that I do not believe in the same God that I hear espoused on the pages of this blog.”
AMEN….AMEN…..AMEN!!! I don’t get it either - if man were created to inevitably sin, to inevitably blow themselves into oblivion….WTH??? What’s the point????
We are here to do good, to learn from mistakes, to make life on this planet better. This dooms-day, end of the world theory crap is a great example of MISSING THE POINT.
The God I believe in would have better things to do than create a bunch of silly bastards that have no point in existing other than to mess things up so bad that God would have to come in and fix the big mess.
As believers - I would think we could understand the point of the Cross - giving us the ability - in small ways to ‘fix’ things around us - in the sphere of our influence. We CAN live a different kind of life, by different rules than ‘the world’ if you want to use that term - to create a place dominated by love, concern and mercy for others as well as the planet we have been given to live in!
Gee - some of ya’ll need to lighten up for crying out loud.
April 1st, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Hmmmm …
IronW:
“People like “Satan” do not exist, except in the infantile imagination of people”
Everyone here agree on that?
“Let’s just do what I said you propose and just make things worse and worse until God has to save us… if he exists.”
How does seeing that they ARE worse … make them worse?
“This is your picture of the world: people are hateful and hurtful, and that is all. That is all you want people to see.”
My picture and the also the actual picture … there is a way to measure whats getting “worse” most of it scientific …. or maybe more and more? Back in the day we simply didn’t know what was going on all arround the world… now we do … how long do I have to wait for the Ironwolves of the world to start fixing things?
“not the result of your “collective” poll of every one of us, but of the innately misanthropic world view your deity demands?”
How is mine or anyone’s Deity responcible for what he has givn to US to control. Its the people in charge who allow it … and we allow them … “collectively”. In america less than 40% of the people vote.
“But all you see is bad, bad, bad.”
Thats silly … why would I come on here and complain and demand that something be done about the “good” stuff.
“then go get the real facts, i.e., the latest scientific research”
I can stop at math … Divorce rate, poverty rate, homelessness rate, single parrenthood, teen parrenthood, suicide, the cost of food, the amount of food availiable, melting of antarctica and greenland, unemployment rate, cancer, aids, avian flu, heart desease, obesity, people going bankrupt, banks going bankrupt, record rainfall, record flooding, record number of quakes, hurricains…. tell me when to stop.
“But for you, it’s not just the hijinks of a new generation learning to make their way in a progressing world.”
Hey … no worries … Al Gore dedicated his lifes work to providing proof of nothing more than the hijinks of a species of morons who don’t know any better .. even AFTER being shown the proof. But its just hijinks.
Sadly … any parrent of a teen suicide or school shooting or collage dorm overdose, or abortion patient .. most likely can rationalize what “hijinks” can lead to. And ounce of prevention….
April 1st, 2008 at 3:53 pm
NsJ
“I don’t know about nukes in April, but I did see where Todaysfate dropped an F-bomb”
I only did because Ironwof .. our host did.
April 1st, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Chester …
“Well you obviously covet no opinion other than your own and have turned this blog into a dictatorship.”
I don’t agree on this … everyone of us here clearly has these issues on our minds… which is MORE than I can say about the average person.
Who “seriously” is thinking about any form of end times, self transofmration, moral objectives … etc… are any of US talking about these issues with ANYONE outside of a forum like this?
Ironwolf … has done us all a service … truly.
Ooops… there I go hating the world again.
April 1st, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Sounds like somebodys afraid of the big bad wolf……..hmmmmm
April 1st, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Marie,
God did create us as you describe …. to do exactky what you decribe but he also knows in advance what we are going to do. Right?
If you could imagine yourself in that position …. how can you reveal to someone that you know that are going to fail without them seriously having doubts about your motives and your “support” of them.
We are applying our logic reagarding Ron W to God himself now.
You said:
“The God I believe in would have better things to do than create a bunch of silly bastards that have no point in existing other than to mess things up so bad that God would have to come in and fix the big mess”
He created us to do what we choose. Our choice. The messing things up come from us and all of the distractions and vices we created for ourselves.
You must have faith that if in fact things get too messed up … God will save you … and it may take more than just Jesus walking along with you in spirit.
April 1st, 2008 at 4:21 pm
I found this blog a month ago, sitting at my desk bored and inbetween cases, (I’m a policeman). This blog, with some twists and turns, has remained on track to the one true idea………..who the hell is Ron Weinland and who the hell does he think he is. Well that has been my interpretation at least.
I saw today a serious change in topic. What started out as a comment on Ron Weinland’s influence and of the general lame brained public at large, turned into a dictatorship. While Ironwolf has every right to dictate the terms of this blog, I find it unproductive to address and slam someones beliefs and way of life.
I agree that having a doomsday “opinion is counter productive to the world as it does nothing to generate growth. But I do not think that is what was being stated by the gentleman that stated he was Wiccan. I took from his words a resignation to the self realized fact, that we as a people, wait until the last minute to do or accomplish anything and it takes an act of Congress to get it started.
As a Policeman of a border town, believe me I have witnessed some bad sides to humanity and some good. Does this make me an expert? Nope, but I can say that as a “person” with no religious backround and no agenda in life other than to make my family safe and happy, I have to agree. We are on a bad path and the likes of Ron Weinland only serve to desensitize the common person.
I love my life. I love this world. But because I care enough about it to try and make a difference in it, does not change my opinion that unless false prophets like Ron Weinland stop directing people down the wrong path or worse yet, make them so sick of listening to everything thats wrong in thw world and we are all going to pay big, it will be too late, before we take serious action to make it better.
April 1st, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Check this blog out ….
This is an example of a possitive person … who still is able to believe in the very negative.
http://threeworldwars.com/blog/posts/118
April 1st, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Well said Superhero ….
Living on a boder town dealing with both the good and the bad … I am currious as to whether or not you support the building of a WALL…. and if so … it is a direct result of the “good” or the “bad”?
Also … I am forced again to contemplate what I have only started to believe …
You said
“unless false prophets like Ron Weinland stop directing people down the wrong path or worse yet, make them so sick of listening to everything thats wrong in thw world and we are all going to pay big, it will be too late, before we take serious action to make it better.”
Therin lies the problem … too many people don’t listen … therefore do not know anything is wrong .. or even slightly getting out of hand or majorly getting out of hand depending how you see it… the other half have listened … but are sick of hearing it by virtue of where they are hearing it from.
Who is in a better posision to start doing something about it?
April 1st, 2008 at 4:42 pm
I think that everyone is in that position. It is their own concious decision to not listen to the idiots and start cleaning up the World, or their community or their own back yards.
As far as the Wall? Perhaps I am not the best person to ask. I would only tell you that to build it would stop the trafficing of humans and drugs, but would take away even more of the personal liberties that my forefathers worked so hard to achieve.
But thats a cement wall. My idea of a proper wall is a human wall. To line up every willing citizen along the borders, with arms if need be and protect America, like they owned it. because they do.
Somehow, putting up a cement wall and then walking away from it, is again to become desensitized to the rest of the world.
April 1st, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Alright Mr. McNally -
You seem to have all the answers. If you had actually listened to the great teacher and God’s final Apostle on Earth, Mr. Armstrong, you would know that Hell is a fictitious teaching of the Catholic Church, and I therefore cannot go there.
Since your legion of “faithful followers” seem so confident in your ability to debate me, what is it you would like to know?
And what I would like to ask you is, how, after seeing the Plain Truth, could you ever turn to such profane, awful blasphemy as being an “epicurian hedonist”?
April 1st, 2008 at 5:06 pm
this ought to be a riot
April 1st, 2008 at 5:13 pm
I hear George Thorogood & the Destroyers playing in IW’s office, and the volume getting turned up
Who do you love….
April 1st, 2008 at 5:16 pm
If it seems too good to be true……..well hopefully you’ve learned the rest by now. He does do a pretty convincing Weinland though.
April 1st, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Robert S;
“These dumb ass conspiracy theories are coming from lunatics who figured out that there are a bunch of dumb asses out there that will pay good money to read thier crap, maybe they’re really not lunatics at all, maybe there really smart aliens that crashed landed on earth, but didn’t know how to get a real job (there kinda funny lookin ya see), so they sit around writing these conspiracy theories to finance the repairs on thier space ship…..”
Some dumb asses think you gotta pay for stuff that is free on the internet, I am not one one of them, you sound like you got suckered once or twice. Good way to distract from my point that I do not buy the UFO stuff by bringing in the alien stuff.
I was really hoping for a response to the Illuminati from some one other than a dumb ass- I was thinking Ironwolf. I was hoping to to keep this troll crap out of it. You should at least have some knowledge of the subject to make a non-dumb ass remark, in my opinion.
Ironwolf, as explained, I hope this is not dismissed as ‘off subject’. Please shoot it down or consider another thread.
April 1st, 2008 at 5:18 pm
welcome, ron, we’ve been expecting you.
April 1st, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Excuse me, Mr. Weinland…………
could you at least spell Epicurean correctly when calling someone names?
April 1st, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Ronald Weinland;
Who are you?
April 1st, 2008 at 5:22 pm
hey, kurt, i’m going to go with “Ronald Weinland” as his final answer wooo hoooo let the games begin
April 1st, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Ok ok… before this goes any farther, and I evoke the rage of the Iron Wolf,
April Fools!!!!
Sorry people… had to see if I could hook a few.
April 1st, 2008 at 5:25 pm
as i’ve said before GOOF BALL
April 1st, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Well, thats just down right mean. Getting our hopes up and all.
April 1st, 2008 at 5:25 pm
If you have read my last responses, I will hedge my bets. Don’t mess with a prophet of God, until you know he is a false prophet.
April 1st, 2008 at 5:26 pm
SOB
April 1st, 2008 at 5:26 pm
but you should have kept it up for a while at least. i knew you were a fake, but i was hoping that you were someone who would argue and get people all fired up.
April 1st, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Thought I could draw ‘him’ in. SOB. Got me.
April 1st, 2008 at 5:29 pm
kurt, most of us know he’s a false prophet already. don’t know what you’re waiting on. nothing he’s said so far has come to pass. but hang in there. if you wait 3 and a half years, I’m sure something bad will happen somewhere.
April 1st, 2008 at 5:29 pm
He still can not spell
April 1st, 2008 at 5:31 pm
I shoulda said the aliens were really behind it and seen how long I could have kept it going….
but I’m on my lunch hour.
Sorry again everyone… I know… I’m a bastard. Katie can testify.
Thought of it at work and couldn’t resist. I wish I had more time to write something more convincing, but that would have been meaner I suppose…
April 1st, 2008 at 5:36 pm
REnton, you are as you claim to be. : ) But it’s funny actually. You remind me of a friend from college, appropriately named Ren also. He and I argued ALL THE TIME. I used to get so mad at him and he would pick fights to get me all fired crazy mad. I told my husband the other day about “this jerk on the computer who reminded me of Ren”. He died laughing. BTW, as mad as I would get at Ren, I always liked him as I do you. : )
April 1st, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Can any one read the English that is coming out of my key board? ‘Draw him in’ was me flattering him by saying he might be a prophet of God so that he would respond. Why do you think I think he is a true prophet?
Someone should play devils advocate because there are no true Ron believers left and it seems we are looking behind every rock and tree to uncover a Ron believer.
April 1st, 2008 at 5:40 pm
katie - good to know. You’re one of the good Chirstians - and do give me a teeny bit of hope
.
I just despair at the general state of apathy. Chester’s one post really hit the nail on the head for me. The question I think in everyone’s mind is: where do we go from here?
I hope Barak has some answers.
April 1st, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Can you be an official end-time witness without physical evidence?
I think you can! Great example he is setting here!
It seems everyone on this planet can be God’s final end time witness!
Sounds like fun…if Ron can do it maybe I should try this out too!
…and hey make some pocket change on the side! wink wink nudge nudge
Why will he be in Jerusalem what will he bring over there? His message..that’s it? Not needed because there is internet, television and radio these offer more efficient ways to bring out the message.
So why is he going there? Site seeing tours? - again there is the
internet for that.
The ’sealed’ 144000 are getting quite restless.
April 1st, 2008 at 5:50 pm
The RW impression is definitely unconvincing.
A) Lacks self-importance.
B) Indicates willingness to debate.
C) Doesn’t mention death to all who would dare criticize.
D) Nothing about “lacking the impregnation (yuk) of the holy spirit” making us all blind to the truth of god’s end-time prophet.
I still say my Weinland impression is better.
April 1st, 2008 at 5:57 pm
“Its all fun and jokes until someone gets an eye put out”. Geesh my Mother used to say that alot. Ok, let me ask a question. As IronWolf is requesting that we actually “do something” about man’s (and woman’s) fall from grace on Mother Earth. What can we do collectively as a Blog community to effect change? How can we change Weinland? How can we change the destructive path we are on?
Better the question……….who will lead us from the shadows. Anyone up for it?
April 1st, 2008 at 6:01 pm
ummm hillary clinton
sorry, i just got a little throw up in my mouth and had to go rinse
April 1st, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Renton, you tit!! I soiled my armor I was so scared!
April 1st, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Chester,
“What can we do collectively as a Blog community to effect change? How can we change Weinland? How can we change the destructive path we are on? Better the question……….who will lead us from the shadows. Anyone up for it?”
Could we be like the Bereans in Acts 17:10-15
. They took a positive approach in response to Paul’s message by comparing it to scripture. We could compare what Weinland says to the scriptures. We don’t have to mock him, even if we are certain we don’t want to be bundled with any “blind, hypnotized, ignorant, sick, duped or sucker” followers. He may be misguided and WRONG, but what if we were specific in our responses to his “wrong” claims?
I give him credit for his CREATIVE interpretation of prophecy. It IS entertaining along the lines of Speilberg or Tolkein. I like the idea of film rights.
April 1st, 2008 at 6:41 pm
I still maintain (I’ve said this elsewhere) that we ex-Worldwiders could write a “Left Behind” series that would make the evangelicals’ ears absolutely curl in horror.
As for debunking god’s profit Rotten Ron via scripture, you have to take into consideration the fact that, taken in total, Weinland’s spewings and sputterings actually don’t include a large quantity of honest-to-writ holy scrip in the first place: Weinland’s lucky if he quotes the bible even three times in one two-hour-plus sermon! Mostly he just quotes his own damn book.
April 1st, 2008 at 6:48 pm
OK I can’t resist, here’s my idea for the ex-WCG members’ Left Behind novel series:
BOOK ONE:
FLED: Taken to the Place of Safety
BOOK TWO:
LED: God’s Government in Petra
BOOK THREE:
SHED: The Rapture of the 144,000 After Armageddon
BOOK FOUR:
SAID: Welcome Your Old Testament Overlords
BOOK FIVE:
DEAD: Great White Throne Judgement
Now With BONUS CoG-PKG “The Hundred Year Day” Novelette!
The only thing I never bothered to come up with was the plots……..I still say we could make a mint.
April 1st, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Chester Mosley,
a.k.a. Terror_fabulous,
a.k.a. Superhero,
a.k.a. Kingsheart,
a.k.a. 199.107.67.166,
a.k.a. idiot sockpuppet troll,
You have been banned.
April 1st, 2008 at 7:02 pm
to Banncam and anyone else, just an FYI…There is NO pressure to tithe in the Catholic Church. Its 100% up to your discression as to what you want to give. There is no MEMBERSHIP! –
April 1st, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Chester, do you know how to create a blog? Ironwolf may have gotten better grades in vocabulary or debate than me, but I am not ready to acquiesce to his intolerance for anyone who thinks there could be a possibility of truth, not in RW, but in God’s hints as shown in HIS book dealing with prophecy and elsewhere in HIS word. Dang, I thought better of him until now. Though it has been waning for the last couple of days, since the veins on his neck started standing out.
April 1st, 2008 at 7:14 pm
I would say this blog is all ready collectively affecting change concerning RW, his mentality, and his organization. As far as affecting change in all other aspects of our world, the simple fact that we would discuss the issues at hand is affecting change. The more we discuss change the more change becomes a reality. The more the idea becomes real to us, the more opportunities to affect change present themselves, because you have thought about the possibility, you’re able to recognize the possible means when you allow them to be possible outcomes. It’s simply the opposite of the doom and gloom philosophies, you see progress because you believe progress is possible, once it becomes a possible outcome in your mind. Ideas, actions outcomes become geared to the change you now feel possible. It’s as much your attitude and outlook. You don’t ignore the world around you. The problems become opportunities. Instead of thinking everything is a conspiracy theory for doom you focus on the change you want to come about. If you will you create a conspiracy for positive change. You don’t need a leader to do that. You start doing that on an individual basis, as you change your outlook, actions, and outcomes will change too. You will meet other people of the same outlook simply by your new outlook that positive change is possible and attracts. The more you think about positive change, the more your actions affect positive change, the more positive outcomes you experience. If you don’t think your attitude affects your world examine your thoughts and expectations and tell me I am wrong. We can choose how we see the world, how we see ourselves, and what role will play in the outcomes. History is full of examples written in black and white for anyone willing and wise enough to see them. It starts with each individual person. What was that movie, “pass it forward”?
April 1st, 2008 at 7:15 pm
Listener,
You sure you want to take up with a sockpuppeter? I try to pick better company.
April 1st, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Weinland Watch - you are too funny! Our own left behind series. It just might make the cut for a ‘made for tv’ series….need to work on the plot and figure out the what Stars we could pick for the characters. Oh wait, I forgot, they are supposed to be starting to drop dead soon. That sucks.
April 1st, 2008 at 7:44 pm
My email, Chester, is soul_woods@yahoo.com. Keep in touch.
April 1st, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Listener,
Just so you know: I had nothing against “Chester” voicing his opinions here, and I had no problem with him disagreeing with me. But when I discovered he was sockpuppeting— that I won’t stand for.
April 1st, 2008 at 7:53 pm
WW,
“Weinland’s lucky if he quotes the bible even three times in one two-hour-plus sermon! Mostly he just quotes his own damn book.”
I believe that Weinland said that his “book has no contradictions in it.” Here is quote from past sermon, Three more weeks.
52:51: The second email references p. 23 of Weinland’s book 2008 God’s Final Witness and addresses the part about the opening of the 7th seal and “the world will be in shock and in horror.” Weinland addresses this question by stating that some of the content in the book was written “prophetically” and would be answered in time. He wants to make something very clear that “…there are no contradictions in the book.” God inspired this book and there are no contradictions in this book.
The sermon is transcripted at http://weinlandtranscripted.wordpress.com/
He believes his book, 2008 God’s Final Witness, is the bible! He believes and would like all of us to believe that it is God’s inspired word. Weinland believes it is GOSPEL. Unfortunately, for all of us “critics” we are able to see through his murky swimming pool.
April 1st, 2008 at 7:57 pm
Robert S. says:
“As far as affecting change in all other aspects of our world, the simple fact that we would discuss the issues at hand is affecting change.”
No, the simple fact that we GET OFF OUR DAMN BUTTS AND DO SOMETHING is what will affect change. That is my own personal goal for tomorrow, which means a twenty-four hour self-imposed moratorium on the Internet.
It’s a small thing, but small causes truly can have larger effects; Earth Hour certainly proved that in Toronto on Saturday night.
Until the day after tomorrow (a movie that really sucked, apropos of nothing), good night to all, and to all a good night!
April 1st, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Renton,
You should have picked a time when I was around for your Weinland prank.
April 1st, 2008 at 8:04 pm
What do you mean, exactly, by “sockpuppeting”? My vocab and IQ are in the average range.
April 1st, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Sockpuppeting, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_sock_puppet
April 1st, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Yes….and just who is Chester then, if not Chester?
April 1st, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Hey Jack,
I appreciate your idea on becoming a Catholic. I have good friends who are…but no thanks.
The whole idea of Priest between me and Jesus is too much…
I’m snug as a bug…with no person between He and Me.
April 1st, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Ironwolf Says:
April 1st, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Chester Mosley,
a.k.a. Terror_fabulous,
a.k.a. Superhero,
a.k.a. Kingsheart,
a.k.a. 199.107.67.166,
a.k.a. idiot sockpuppet troll,
You have been banned.
Why these people do this, and why they put their energy into playing with people’s emotions is hateful.
April 1st, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Maybe Chester has