On page 83 of RW’s book, he is discussing the transition between the Sixth seal and the Seventh seal. He states, “The transition of both phases is coordinated to lead into the opening of the Seventh Seal.”

He also says this, and this is an important detail, “The physical phase of transition that is occurring during this present Sixth seal is the period when prophetic end-time events escalate, on a physical plane, with increasing destructive power that is best depicted as a pregnant woman in labor pains. But there is more to this phase of transition that will lead to the opening of the Seventh seal and the destruction that will come at the blowing of the first four trumpets.”

Okay, (cricket sounds)…. the 7th seal openend…. (cricket sounds)
WHERE is the increasing destructive power…. It should have been here by the opening of the 7th seal…

Hello… echo echo echo

Can ANY REASONABLE person believe GOD will ALLOW HIS witness to lose his voice???? Give me a break!?!

“duhh oh yeah, i want to get that message out…but my guy just lost his voice…what am I gonna do????”

NO WAY!

In order to write a prophetic book, God MUST have revealed the information to the author before he wrote it. He states on page 9, “The answer is not anything that is stated or written because words by themselves do not prove credibility and truth. That which man has written about God does not prove it is true. Only God Himself can prove what is true by bringing to pass exactly what He has said.”

I take this to mean that Only God himself can prove the authority or anointing of the person professing to be one of the 2 final witnesses or prophet by bringing to pass exactly what the witness or prophet proclaims or predicts.

On page 17 of his book he states, “It is now with boldness, confidence and great clarity that I give to you what God has given to me. I am to announce through God’s direct revelation, that I am one of the two witnesses”

By his own words, this cannot be proven by words either written or spoken. They must be proven by God’s own work in accomplishing what the witness proclaims.

UHHH… WHERE’s THE BEEF!?!
He said ALL kinds of things in this book…. according to RW’s OWN words….God is NOT making them happen as he supposedly revealed them in 2006!

It’s crazy!

Many on this post, including myself, HAVE chosen to believe the bible and Christ….

THE end time witness will be calling people to FOLLOW CHRIST… NOT himself! RW is NOT calling people to follow Christ. HE is calling people to follow HIM and the Sabbath. BIG Difference.

YOU should fit in NICELY with RW and his group (any other splinter for that matter). They assume people don’t know Christ, Don’t know God, Don’t read the bible, can’t prove anything by scripture, live like the “world”…

Yes, you will fit in nicely with them John

I was a member of WCG from 1988-1995 - About a year ago I was contacted by a “friend” from those church days - we went for lunch - she gave me a copy of 2008 GFW - After a period of resisting, the book “hooked” into me - I contacted the RW website, began keeping the Sabbath, tithing and listening to sermons - The best part for me was a renewal of God-conciousness - the worst part was my concern about family members, who didn’t “see” it.

There have been an increasing number of “red flags” - here are a few:

1. In many of RW’s sermons, he is actually yelling and speaking in an abusive manner to the listeners - repeating things over & over - getting more & more worked up about them - My insides were feeling sick of hearing the words “sick, sick, sick” over & over again.

2. A few weeks ago - RW lost his voice and was unable to give the Sabbath sermon - this is the man who calls himself “God’s spokesperson of the two witnesses” - the man who “God has chosen to spiritually feed us Sabbath to Sabbath” - very strange that he loses his voice.

3. RW’s book describes the “Seven Thunders” occurring during the period of the Sixth Seal - PG 86 “The timing for the Seven Thunders is during the period of the Sixth Seal.” Those thunders are described in the book as physical events (not spiritual ones) - they have not taken place as described in the book - ( he writes over & over throughout the book that the exact fulfillment of what he has written will verify that he is the chosen spokesmen).

4. I became aware of the “pay prior to Baptism policy” - That was a real shocker for me.

There is a positive side to all of this - when I said to my husband last night about being “duped again” - he said ” well, you are human” and we had a good laugh. I may still be a bit naive - perhaps now a little less so.

My thoughts, right now, are about the other members of the church I have met - I wonder if they are “seeing” these inconsistencies and falsehoods - some might be afraid to allow themselves to think or speak these things - (with the dogmatism of unity RW puts forth). This post is for any of them who might be reading. You are not alone.

Yeah! YOU don’t know…but if you choose to follow him… YOU WILL

“This (Greenberg) sounds like a bait and switch.”

Kurt, if you haven’t read the Bible, there’s nothing I can do for you. It’s all there in Revelation. After the second resurrection, judgment commences, with those names not written in the book of life being cast into the Lake of Fire.

There’s no bait. There’s no switch. I’m not affiliated with Ronald Weinland. I’m just someone who reads the Bible and believes it. I’ve heard nothing but biblically sound doctrine from Mr. Weinland. If anyone on here actually believed or read the Bible, they’d agree with me.

renton said:

“no self-proclaimed “prophet” should go uncriticized unless there is truly no grounds for criticism: in Ron’s case this just isn’t so.”

There’s no valid biblical criticism on this blog; be serious. This place is a haven for unbelievers and atheists who haven’t cracked open their Bible in years. I haven’t heard one single valid refutation of the biblical doctrine he preaches.

People - stop pretending you’re unbiased. Go back and read your 12 pages of comments. Stop innocently calling yourselves “skeptics” or “critics”. At least have the balls to come out and say you 100% don’t believe this guy and stick to it.

Ironwolf said:

“you are ignorant.”

Because some guy I never heard of had the same opinion as me, I’m ignorant? Whether 1 person or 1000 people shared the same argument, it doesn’t invalidate the argument. In fact, I still haven’t heard you address the actual argument.

If you were open to honest debate, that would be fine, Ironwolf. Note that I haven’t insulted you. I have simply shared my opinion on your blog, which I thought was a place of honest intellectual discourse. If you disagree, at least disagree with the opinion, instead of simply attacking me. As the administrator of this blog, people are looking to you to set the bar.

Richard_Saunders said:

John Greenberg,

I have lengthy experience with Mr. Weinland. That is why I have the opinion I do about his legitimacy. Should you eventually come to think as I do, God bless and protect you…”

Thank you for your calm and reasoned reply, Mr. Saunders. I would be interested to hear more in detail about your experiences with Mr. Weinland. As I have stated before, I am not a follower of Mr. Weinland or his church. I do believe the book of Revelation, which states two endtime witnesses will emerge on the world scene. Could Mr. Weinland be one of those witnesses? It’s possible. I have listened to the man speak and read his works, and have found them to be biblically compatible for the most part. What I don’t understand is some people’s willigness and eagerness to condemn the man prematurely; perhaps they have had bad experiences in the past - I don’t know. However, they cannot allow that to cloud their judgment and reflexively stereotype every emerging personality on the scene as a “false prophet”. The Bible says the fruits determine whether someone is sent of God or not.

As for me, I am very careful who I proclaim a false prophet or not. If somebody is truly sent of God, I am not going to risk incurring his wrath by declaring his messenger full of lies. I am simply going to calmly wait and see. I have commented on his doctrines. I cannot comment on his predictions, because I simply do not know. I wish others would be as cautious, before making crude jokes and simply assuming the worst. I find the environment here to be rather unattractive, with putdowns, mocking and jeering the norm, so I will not tarry here long.

Marie said:

“There is a difference between denying a human being is God’s prophet and denying God..”

You are the one that declared him a false prophet. I have simply said that if you are wrong, you will have to live with the consequences. Unless you do not concede that you could be wrong, in which case discussion would be useless. I have conceded that I could be wrong; however, I lose nothing if that is the case and gain everything if I’m right. The inverse is true for you. If that is fine with you, I am saddened, but cannot do anything about it.

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I posted to give an alternate opinion than the many doubting ones I have seen here, and I have done that. I cannot spend my life on this blog pretending to care whether or not I convince anyone here. Frankly, I wonder why those who don’t even believe him spend so much of their time here. We all have our own beliefs - some here shout a little louder than others. I have shared my opinion; you have shared yours. Only time can tell now.

- John G