As the saying goes, “Good programmers are lazy.” I got lazy and decided to stop figuring out how much time is left until Ronald Weinland is done like a turkey, so I asked Ronny to keep track for me. Thanks, Ron!
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I always read WW’s posts.
WW:
I know what you mean about “testing the theory”! You make me smile.
It would be an interesting study, don’t you think. Perhaps some sort of survey…
We cannot be the only ones who have this aversion to church. I joined my current church after my father passed away because I didn’t have a pastor to call to come to the hospital and my mother had one of her blasted WWCG ministers preside over my dear father’s funeral. He was never a member of WWCG. And he was a great man. Imagine how we felt, how is brothers and sisters felt, to hear that minister say my father was not in heaven.
Any, that is why I finally, officially joined a church…after visiting everyone under the sun.
But, it is worse than pulling teeth for me to go to church.
What do you think is the reason for these feelings we have?
PS: Don’t test the theory! You might go bonkers and then where would this blog be? So glad you are back.
Grad,
You cannot answer the question, can you?
So, yeah…I’m fine with ending it right here.
At any rate, you are correct, despite the fact you speak as if you own this blog. My question was off-topic.
So, if you care to answer the question, feel free to post it over on the Flood blog.
Jon
P.S. Short enough for you?
I think that’s why the MySpace page is up there…..specifically because of how Weinland railed against it in his March 1 sermon. Those entertaining demons have struck again!
LOL 2008Grad I don’t plan on “testing the theory” until my cousin’s wedding in the summer! Weinie’s supposed to have stopped preaching by then, so if I go bonkers after that, it won’t matter so much.
i really really like you, WW. Thanks for your lengthy post to me. i could tell it was heart felt.
2008, i have believed that (all you said about Jesus dying for me) with everything I could muster for 32 years, and it’s empty. I’ve prayed for what the bible promises (read 1 John) to believers. And I have been told that the holy spirit would bear witness within me. I’ve prayed nightly with tears and sweat to be “saved” and as far as I can tell, i’m not. this is EXTREMELY painful for me in more ways than you can imagine. My entire life is Christian, everyone I know, my family, my friends, my kids, my husband…. Jon and I have been talking “off the record” for a few days now, and I debated whether or not to speak of my faith crisis here. But i did so because 1) i was hoping it would help someone else who feels like I have felt for years and is terrified as i was to voice it and 2) to try and find anyone to help me see what I am missing so that I do not completely lose faith. i can promise you that this is not what I wished for.
Richard, thanks for the try, there pal, but i am wired to put more thought into who i bow down to than that. i really wish it were that simple, but it’s just not for me. And if you believe what the bible says, you happen to know that salvation comes from faith, which can only come from God and not from within. For whatever reason, he hasn’t given me that gift of faith, though i’ve asked with blood, sweat and tears.
I do thank you all for your replies to me.
Jon,
Yesssss…. that’s a nice length….
And, yes, actually I CAN answer it. (OMG! There’s actually another intelligent human being on the face of the earth!) But, at the moment I am chatting with you and doing a boatload of Geology simultaneously.
However, there’s this little stubbornness to me that says I’m not going to give you the argument that you want. You seem to relish it so that you can prove to YOURSELF that you are not wrong. I have nothing to prove to myself…. or to you for that matter. You were the one who tore off on me. I merely responded and moved on.
Don’t be so angry about finding someone who doesn’t think you walk on water, Dude! This is a blog about Ronnie Weenie and your tirade has made anyone stopping by think you..and the rest of us…are lunatics.
Nice that you’re “fine with ending it right here.”
I ended it quite a bit ago. Any further posts from you ON THIS TOPIC will be…shall we say…talking to the hand.
But, like I said, I’m open to discussion on the topic of COG.
Shall we part on good terms, then?
since we are all posting like we’re chatting does anyone want to chat in the room IW set up? i’m up for a while….
http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/chat/
WW:
Take a swig of something strong before entering said church. I find that always helps!
and 2008, i sincerely wish you would answer it, but not for jon, for me…
katie
“you happen to know that salvation comes from faith, which can only come from God and not from within”
That’s exactly my point. When I say “within” I mean God will be within, doing the whole business. It’s not about us at all. You can’t ‘do’ this. I can’t either.
And I’m not trying to get you to bow to any man or any system. In fact, if you do, you didn’t listen to me at all.
“i really wish it were that simple” it is.
Richard Saunders said:
Good thought.
Life is complex, Richard. It is not black and white. There’s multiple shades of gray.
To arrive at the conclusion, “Christ is the only way,” required thought. To question that conclusion requires even more, as one must now overcome fear and indoctrination.
Whatever happens, I hope Katie can find peace and truth while still living in a state of reason and intellectual honesty. I hope that for everyone.
Katie,
That was a heartfelt post about your struggle. I have been there. What is your religious background? WWCG?
I’m so sorry you are experiencing this turmoil right now…it is painful, I know.
Sometimes, when we have these feelings we must just go through the motions until we get to where we long to be.
Shall I friend you on MySpace and we can discuss this away from the blog? (Oh, no! Todaysfate will be angry at us for being on MySpace. I kid…todaysfate…I kid!
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yes mam! i would love to be your friend!
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=305350586
be sure to notice ronnie who posted a comment on my profile!!
after that and the youtube with quotes from me, i am feeling quite flushed!
Katie,
You are quite the celebrity!
Ok…I will friend you.
Might be tomorrow, though…having a hard time managing all this homework and blogging! Argh!
2008,
I trust you know that thinly veiled insinuations as to my perceived intelligence versus the world’s will produce nothing worthwhile. I find these slur tactics all too commonplace among theists. It’s even more amusing when the individual denies their use or attempts to be coy. Try to avoid that. It’s a stereotype that could use smashing.
Hey, it’s cool if you cannot answer, will not answer, or could write a thesis on the subject. But the fact that you think I care for my own self-interest is just damn amusing to me.
I would type “LOL”, as I really ‘am’, but its too cliche.
2008Grad I don’t drink so the only thing that will get me in the door will be a COFFEE—bad idea??
Anyway. I’d love to stay and chat too but I must be off for the night. I was supposed to visit family tonight and didn’t. Will have to do so tomorrow. I won’t let Weinland’s church destroy MY family relationships too! Armstrong’s church did enough of that for twenty years!!
Ai-yai I shouldn’t end on such a depressing note! Smile boys and girls the real world is truly a terrifyingly wonderful place to be!!
WW,
What?? An atheist/agnostic that doesn’t drink?
Dude. You’ll ruin our image… ; )
Talk to the hand, Jon…talk to the hand…
I’m just as stubborn as you. And because of my wwcg experience, I’m not so easily swayed and engaged. And, perhaps, I’m laughing as much as you!
Jon…are you ironwolf?
WW:
Goodnight!
I’m following suit!
I know Jon will be sad to hear it. ;-P
Grad,
Perhaps the “hand” would be more suited to respond rationally. Feel free to put him on the line.
No, I am not Ironwolf. He would not have carried this conversation past your first red herring. Perhaps I’ll learn one of these days.
At any rate…man, it sounds like this WWCG thing is a bane to your existence. For what it’s worth, I’m legitimately sorry for what you went through.
Jon
Jon,
Hi there again!
“To question that conclusion requires even more, as one must now overcome fear and indoctrination.”
You had religion, and you did what you feel was a scary thing to step out onto the road of reason and leave God behind. I’ve been there and done that. I know how that goes. Not easy!
But I can assure you, to have the security of a rote religion, and to abandon it, but to keep God – that was far more difficult for me. It’s a far scarier thing to abandon religion for God than anything I have ever known. And it involved an incredible amount of questioning and honesty within myself.
I know that might not make a lot of sense. But it’s a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done….
Richard,
I understand my friend. I did that first. : )
It is hard to do. I respect you for doing it, and I’m glad you’re in a good place in your walk.
Jon
No, southern baptist minister’s kids here. vivid descriptions of eternal hell, complete with movies and haunted houses at halloween from diapers till i left home. i’m not comparing that with the cult you guys came from, but it sure is difficult to shake. it’s IN me. my dad reiterated the warnings to me again today and i’m 32 years old.
Katie,
This is way off the RW topic, but you are very pretty. I’ll join whatever religion or belief system you are comfortable with. I’m so easily swayed
2008Grad,
Last time I checked, that’s for me to decide, not you. Personally, I find Todaysfate’s postings tedious and barely on-topic, but I haven’t banned him. Nor do I find the need to ban Jon’s postings, which although at times long I find to be cogent and considerably more relevant to the topic of what makes for a “true” interpretation of scripture.
May I suggest you simply skip over Jon’s postings if you find them without value for you?
Ok, mr robert. and as i blush, i say you made my night. on that note, i go to bed. : ) i thought my profile was set to private? guess not…
This room is getting pretty crowded! That’s what I get for taking a couple days off. Please continue discussion here.
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