The core of her argument, from the end of the clip:
Marriage is the only institution we have that’s about bringing together the two great halves of humanity: male and female, so that children can know and be known by, and love and be loved by their own mother and father. And if the government moves to same-sex marriage— if the law teaches the next generation: “there isn’t anything unique about unions of husbands and wives” a lot of things are going to change for a lot of children. Maybe not for you and me, we’re kind of old [and for us] maybe everything will go on just the same, but marriage will change, and it will change for everyone in the state.
This fear-mongering “argument” sums up just about every position I’ve heard against same-sex marriage. Yet, it is full of inconsistent and vague assertions, the most glaring being that the sole purpose of marriage is for children. Yet, many people get married with no intention of ever having children. If marriage is all about children, then why don’t we only make marriage available to couples of child-bearing age who sign affidavits that they intend to have children together? The answer is that we don’t do this because marriage can be about many things that may (or may not) include love, companionship, division of responsibilities, legal benefits, and yes, even children. To insist that the law allow older or infertile couples to get married, or that the law allow couples with children to get divorced, and to simultaneously insist the law prohibit same-sex couples from marriage with only an incoherent, mealy-mouthed, “a lot of things are going to change” for your point is the height of bigotry and Orwellian double-think.
And if you agree with her, and want to claim that she just ran out of time, please state your most compelling rational argument against legalizing same-sex marriage in the comments. No, I don’t accept purely faith-based arguments as rational. You’re playing with the big boys here, so tell me: what are the negative consequences for society if this became legal everywhere?
I agree with your comments against the anti gay marriage brigade.
What is bizarre to me is that they raise their children in a monogamous household teaching them that the most natural and loving thing is to commit their life to the one person they fall in love with, and then throw all that out the window when their son falls for another guy.
Gays get criticized for being too promiscuous yet when they try to commit to a single person for life, they get banned. Sad.
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I’m against gay marriage because in the book of king james bible that God speaks about sin sexual immorality. God did not created Adam and Steve. male and female. Gays are very confused the devil as a demon spirit has taken over your mind. The truth is the truth whether you like it or not. The end of the world is approaching. Say whatever you want to say that is your problem because you will be left behind and God will destroy the whole entire universe. When that day come and you heard the gospel I don’t care what belief you have their is only one God so if you call yourself an atheist then how the world did you get here by a monster or created your ownself. Confused, confused what is your mind confused you so you don’t know who you are that is sad. It makes my stomach turn to see two same gender together. Sin is sin there is none greater. What ashamed. I’m going to pray for you all it’s ashamed.
Great argument, Kimmie— if you happen to live in a theocracy. How about moving to someplace like that, perhaps Saudi Arabia or the Vatican?
Kimmie, check out what the bible says about women who marry who are not virgins.
Duet 22:13-21. “A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed. (paraphrased)”
Those who use the bible to condemn homosexuality have to be very selective about which parts of the bible they pay attention to.
you can’t use the bible in your own interpretation neither do I. First of all the bible is very complicated to understand so that is the way God wrote the bible. This is no argument at all. You’re condemn of sin anyway. Sin is sin as I stated . Please pay attention of what I wrote. I said sin is sin and of course homosexuality is a grievious sin in God’s eyes. God hates sin. Everyday when sin is commit acting disobedience towards God and condemn as the wages of sin is death. The point is that I’m not using the bible to condemn homosexuality it’s stated in the bible so please don’t get offended. God says what he writes whether if this person like it or not so be it. The problem is getting offended about the truth is you don’t like it. Truth is truth. Homosexuality,and all other sin is sinful God hates. Harold Campling is right about the end of the world. God gave man up to grievious sin. I check it out not just he searched the bible so did I. The world is so sinful it is really coming to and end and I strongly believe it. No way God let this world continue on and on with sin. People die in their sins everyday. Some don’t because God save them because turning away from it all it’s possible God could save this person. The problem we don’t want this world to end and it really will for sure because it’s approaching towards it. Satan has even taken the role in all congregation since 23yrs ago. Everywhere I see their is so much of evil on television negative trash on television or movies. I can’t even sit down and watch a very decent comedy movie. Not hardly any comedy movies out anymore. Gays on this show and that tv is very degrading to me. I have a gay brother and he’s a mess but I love him I hate his lifestyle and their are people who got out of that life-style. When God created a man and same goes for a woman then you’ll die as what God created you. All in the mind is really mess-up confused. God loves that person but he hates sin.
OK, Kimmie. Harold Camping says the world ends in 465 days. So come back then and tell me whether he was right or wrong, and I’ll let you know what I think about whether a god wrote the Bible.
Bye for now.
Once I realized god didn’t write the bible, I realized the whole concept of sin was a man made invention. Now I enjoy living a sin free life. The freedom of guilt and worrying about pleasing a man made god has freed me up to be a much better person, and better able to help and love others.
God did wrote the bible. The old testament and the new testament he wrote. Man surely did’nt wrote the bible. Only one who wrote the bible that God given them was James and John. That is why God wrote his commandment as the Law Book I call it. Everything God wrote have came to pass. Man surely did not wrote the bible. Some of these translation was taken out and missing with these new bible.
The oldest bible is the Book of King James 400 yrs old is the original translation. Greek and Hebrew. Helping and loving people does’nt make it that God have chosen you. You would’nt know until May21,2011 if he have given you a brand new soul first. Until that exact day during the rapture occur and then his judgement. That is why God always speak about repentance and turn from your evil ways. That means turn away from it. As I say again sin is sin and God hates sin. You know God given man up to sin and that is true. God give man a delusion mind. I found that in the bible.
Thanks, Kimmie. You’ve definitely shown yourself to be a shining example of Christian education, and the sort of intelligent debate that Bible adherence produces. Best of luck with that 2011 thing.
Thank you. There is one thing that I must say. I don’t know for sure if God has chosen me all I’m doing is pleading because of his mercy that there is still hope all until May21,2011. God recorded so much info in the bible that some people did’nt search the scripture correctly. I’m not smarter than nobody so who am I. I can be helpful kind or whatever I’m still a nobody and that is the truth.
I’m not trying judge nobody as I say sin is sin. There is no greater sin or bigger sin it’s still sin in the eyes of God that he hates. When I say that I’m talking about all sin. You see I look at myself everyday in the mirror and I have to take a look at myself so I see some things that I don’t like about myself. I have to look at me.
It’s a real story to share this. When I was a child during my days this woman said to me that God is not going to save everybody and I listen to her of what she said. I grew up in church and I loved Sunday School going because they taught us about Christ coming the second time. So I read the bible as a child but I still did’nt understand it. I believed it so much. I believed in hell but during that time I never heard that hell was a place where the unsaved burn forevermore. Until the 1990’s I heard so much in the church so I believed then when they were telling people you’re going to hell and burn and of course I was scared. I did’nt know any better. So my Aunt told me to read this book A divine Revelation of Hell and I read it so I was very scared that I stop one day not to read it but then I picked it back up and read the whole book. I heard a co-worker told me be careful of what you’re reading. Then I found out from this teacher who told people that hell is a place not where a person is going to burn. Hell is the grave where a person is buried so I looked it up in the bible and I read it. That is when Jesus said I will not leave my soul in hell (grave) now I understand it. I was shock. Then I threw the book away because that author had told lies. My mother believe hell is a place so she don’t believe anything I say what the bible says. She is in the church and that is why. I remember when I used to go to church this man who was a teacher in the church spoke about these doctrines so he spoke the truth I think that my pastor told the man to leave. I did’nt see him anymore. The churches are teaching lies now. Satan is in the church when the tribulation begin. God place Satan in the congregation I found scriptures of that. That means all churches. All these sins in the churches going on. The spiritual love in the churches are gone. I wished that all churches searched the truth but it won’t happen for sure. Since the 6 seals are open the 7 one will be the gospel is finished on that day May21,2011.
Kimmie,
I hate to break it to you, but in my last comment I was being sarcastic. I actually think you’re quite ignorant and misled, and was trying to say so in a humorous way. It’s too bad that was lost on you. What you’ve said that’s on-topic is pretty much just a statement of your faith. Fortunately, as another citizen of this free country I don’t need to abide by your faith, and I don’t condone laws (such as those saying Gays can’t marry) that actually don’t mitigate any harm. I hope that after May 21, 2011 passes uneventfully you’ll reconsider your faith. For now, any further off-topic comments will be removed.
Kimmie,
I grew up with much the same beliefs as you are stating. I hoped forlornly that I would be one of the saved. Then I started to read the bible more carefully and realized the promises of answered prayer were really just empty promises. The bible makes it clear that your prayers will be answered if you believe. That’s all it takes and the bible is very clear on that. I certainly believed yet my prayers weren’t answered. Thus started the process where I lost my faith in faith.
I strongly urge you to consider qualified professional psychological counseling. It changed my life for the better and I’m finally happy and live a life that contributes to my family’s happiness and the betterment of the family and the community I live in.