Nothing has happened yet! We're Still In Seal Six!

[Mantayo]

To Zahyit, Weinlandtranscripted and everyone else: More and more it seems to me that one has to be a Sherlock Holmes (or should that be a Chief Inspector Clouseau) to stand a chance at cracking the code here. Now if I were trying to PREVENT dirty rotten sinners from finding out what I was going to do to them, this is pretty much how I would go about it. On the other hand if I loved them and wanted them to know how I planned to save them . . .
Thanks to you all for your posts on this topic and the work you have evidently put in.

[Sunny]

Okay Z and W,
Do we NEED to know this or understand it for eternal life?  Or is it just "interesting" to some people like "Chess" is interesting to some people....

My life is so full, I couldn't begin to read or research this stuff.  It isn't even interesting to me.      I get bored with all the details. 

[PurpleHymnal]

New information on "Zahyit" from someone who knew Sakach at AC:

Tim Sakach was around during my tenure as a student at AC, but I didn't realize that he had become this Zahiyut.

So now we've got an Enochian calendar! I'm sure many of us had realized that there were severe problems with the one used by WCG, but I had never heard this Enochian calendar mentioned.

The mountain of evidence just continues to grow that Armstrongism, as presented, is impossible to observe, and will never produce a viable prophet.

Shoot. I'm missing out on a big opportunity here. I was around when the rest of these guys were! There are only two problems. 1) I am sane, and 2) I've got a conscience.

Here is the comment Sakach left on the WW blog (you will note the highlighted part, indicating just how shifty Sakach is on his church background):

Don’t worry. I am one of the “good guys”. I was asked about Weinland from one of my subscribers and up until that time, I had never heard about him and his claims. Although, as a Theologian, I am familiar with some of the history about the WCG, and I thought I should at least check out Ron Weinland. At the time I was writing a series about Revelation 2 and 3, and showing how important it is to not be duped by religion of any flavor, but instead to recognize it for what it really is and be an Overcomer. For those in the clutches of Armstrong’s clones, please understand that the WCG, and its offshoots, and Weinland’s rants is something that must be Overcome. When you can escape from the Supercult, of which Armstrongism is a small part, then you can begin to find the Truth and enter into a true Spiritual life, FREE from religion. It takes courage to try to untie the Gordian Knot of religious slavery, but you may need to take Alexander’s approach and simply whack it with a sword and move on.!

I responded quite favourably to Sakach at the time, but I did not realize he was an ex-member of the church. Sakach actually reminds me a lot, underneath the Enochian mysticism, of David Hoover, another ex-member of the church who has come down with Jerusalem Syndrome.

[Weinlandtranscripted]

 Zahyit,

When I ordered a copy of your book many months ago, I had correspondence with you over at your website.  You had emailed me and mentioned that you had known Herbert Armstrong personally, and had various opportunities to eat and dine with Armstrong at his home.  I hope you don't take offense to the questions that I am about to ask.

What was your relationship with HWA?

How did you become acquainted with WCG? 

Did you travel personally with HWA as he traveled the world? 

What is your perception of HWA? 

What was he like as a person? 

Did your theology branch off from the WCG, (ex. Feast Days and their meanings)?

Did you work with various ministers at Ambassador College?

Did you teach at AC?

I believe that it is important to ask you these questions personally, as some have written various things about you that may have been true or false.  In all of the correspondence that I have had with you, I have been completely impressed with your humility, patience, and non-judgmental attitude, especially because we error when we’re learning new knowledge, as I have made mistakes in summarizing your doctrine regarding the sequence and timing of end-time events.  Any information will be helpful in learning and understanding the inter-workings of the WCG and its former leader HWA. 

[Weinlandtranscripted]

Zahyit says,

What does Eyahuwah (YHWH) require of you?"  Making sure that you adhere to a long list of do's and don'ts? Of course not

This is true, many people do not want to be told what to do and how to do it.

Weinland's and his followers struggle with this each day.  In order to "belong" there is a list of requirements that one must adhere and follow.  In order to be baptized one must comply with a list of requirements, even though John the Baptist, baptized people without a list of requirements, other than asking people to "believe" (Mark 16:16).  Weinland requires money ($60) as one of the requirements for baptism.  If one belongs to Weinland's group, one must live in fear of Weinland scrutinizing one's tax return, in order to determine if one is faithful in paying the appropriate tithe, and Weinland determining whether you have been faithful to God and are indeed worthy to remain a member of the true church of God. 

Consequently, the list of fears can go on and on and on……One is in constant fear of being disfellowshipped and banned from membership.  Also, remember that Weinland, as well as other splinter groups want “Yes, Sir” people and do not want you to ask questions. 

These are reasons why I can never belong to such an organization.  If I have to live in fear, then I am moving on.  It is not a place for me personally to dwell.  When an organization criticizes one for asking questions, then one must ask what is being withheld from the membership.  If this is occurring, one must ask what is the organization’s mission and intentions.  Are the motives for the organization self-serving for a select few? 

[Sunny]

Hey Z,

you said, "What does Eyahuwah (YHWH) require of you?"

Nothing.  I don't accept anything attached to salvation.  Salvation is a stand alone item, offered and accepted. 

What can be worthy enough to be attached to the very blood of the son of God?  Nothing in my book.

I heard a message just this weekend.  A guest speaker at our church from South Africa.  He was a white man in his 50's.  He said his country had slavery of black South African's for much of his life. The black population refered to the whites as "Baas" which in the US term would be "boss".   It was a cultural word used every day.  But in the 1990's slavery was done away with.  He said once slavery was gone, much if not MOST black South African's still would say "thank you baas" or "your welcome baas"... he said it was sort of embarrasing for him (the speaker) because he had close friends who continued to do this.  He would say, "You don't have to say Baas anymore!" and they would respond, "Well, I'm just so used to it.  I've been a slave all my life and it is generations deep."  This speaker said that we are "conditioned" to slavery to sin or "flesh" we are NOT conditioned to be free in Christ.  Simple as that.  Absolutely, no attachments, nothing.  No more "baas."  He refered to scriptures about "slave to sin"  I don't want to get my notes out right now.  But he made a really good point.  We (if we are Christ followers) are NO LONGER slaves to sin.  We cannot "change enough", "earn our righteousness enough" or do anything to "trump" what Christ has done and he (Christ) doesn't ask us to.

We are just so conditioned to try ... so we do try...

Even though I mention this message.  I actually have known this for a very long time.  I attach nothing to my eternal life (security), now that I have accepted what Christ offered.

[Sunny]

I don't think I understand this discussion.  All I'm saying is Christ simply makes an offer, and if we accept, he requires Nothing else from us.   It is his to offer and his to fulfill once accepted by man.

[tony]

All I'm saying is Christ simply makes an offer, and if we accept, he requires Nothing else from us.   It is his to offer and his to fulfill once accepted by man.

"Simply..."  If only it were so simple.  I accepted christ's offer.  I read his promises, like the ones on answered prayer,  I certainly abided in him as the scripture instructed but the answers to my prayers never came.  Never.  My conclusion...  Very disappointing.  Another false prophet.  Makes weinland look like an amateur.

[tony]

but now he is talking 2012 as well.

So what! 

Weinland is a false prophet.  False prophets lie. 

2012 is just another year that people will look back on like they now look back on 1972 or 1975.

[katie]

I was wondering where you were, TF.  How are you?     Is there any chance that you will ever change your mantra from RW's right even though he's wrong?  Why not just state that you think the world is going to end ASIDE from RW's tired predictions?  I could accept that.  But you keep on stating that RW's Thunders are happening or however else you choose to phrase your wording on that particular day.  HIS THUNDERS ARE WRONG BY HIS OWN DAMN ADMISSION!!  Can you just let it go?  How about saying instead, "Ron was totally wrong about everything and is a flake and is vying for $$.  That being said, I (TF) still think the end is near".  How bout that buddy?  Wouldn't that work just as well?  Then you wouldn't look like a big DA every time you post.     Just trying to be helpful (and funny, I hope)

[nsj]

That was hilarious katie 

[Sunny]

I second NSJ!

[Sunny]

All I'm saying is Christ simply makes an offer, and if we accept, he requires Nothing else from us.   It is his to offer and his to fulfill once accepted by man.

"Simply..."  If only it were so simple.  I accepted christ's offer.  I read his promises, like the ones on answered prayer,  I certainly abided in him as the scripture instructed but the answers to my prayers never came.  Never.  My conclusion...  Very disappointing.  Another false prophet.  Makes weinland look like an amateur.

Hey Tony,
I don't know why some prayers are answered and others aren't.   

[Sunny]

The point is that He is the Savior and He will not fail in accomplishing this, regardless of our individual present "state", isn't it?
And wasn't his first job on earth to fulfill the life and death covenant He made with our fathers by paying our debt and thereby purchasing us all?
And now that He owns everyone, He can do with us what was planned from before there was a universe, can't he?

Pretty much

[tony]

Hey Tony,
I don't know why some prayers are answered and others aren't.

Thanks for the reply. 

The bible makes it pretty clear to me that jesus promised answered prayer.  There are quite a few scriptures that state that prayers will be answered.  It is even stated the prayers will be answered so that god will be glorified.  I looked into the context of the verses and the best I could find was that you have to abide in jesus in order for this promise of answered prayer to be granted.

I can only relate my story, which is I spent  30 years abiding in jesus.  Preached his message to those who would listen, taught it to my children, prayed fervently and intently and in many different ways.  For me, no answered prayer.  My conclusion is that jesus lied.