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[Mr. Arkadin]

Hey Timmy,

Welcome to the forum that  debunks all the self-proclaimed “called” soothsayers including RW, John Hagee, and some third-rate fictionist who calls himself Zahyit.

I have no tolerance for those who profit from our superstitions - and of course, they all sing the old refrain: but I’m different! I have the inside scoop!

The people who engage in prophetic mumbo jumbo are all the same - they are interested in two things:

1) Money

2) Self-aggrandizement

People do need to be saved - they need to be saved from biblical sorcerers such as yourself.

(If this post is removed due to its inhospitable tactlessness - I’ll understand)

[Mantayo]

Welcome to the forum that  debunks all the self-proclaimed “called” soothsayers including RW, John Hagee, and some third-rate fictionist who calls himself Zahyit.

"sooth·say·er (sthsr)
n.
One who claims to be able to foretell events or predict the future; a seer.
Word History: The truth is not always soothing, but our verb soothe is related to soothsayer, the word for one who tells the truth, especially beforehand. The archaic adjective and noun sooth, "true, truth," comes from the Old English adjective and noun sth with the same meanings. The Old English form derives from Germanic *santh-az, "true," which comes from Indo-European *sont-, one of the participles from the Indo-European root -es-, "to be": the truth is that which is. Old English also formed a verb from sth, namely sthian, "to confirm to be true." This is the ancestor of soothe; its meaning changed from "to assent to be true, say 'yes' to" to "humor by assenting, placate." Doing the latter on occasion requires something less than the truth.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved."

How do RW et. al. "soothe"?, that is to say "humor and placate"? By convincing people that they have the answers to the problems and fears that we are all subject to. But be advised "Doing the latter on occasion requires something less than the truth."

[tony]

Meanwhile ... who of public influence and power suddely passes next week? The week after?

With a population of 6 billion or so and an ever expanding media and internet for communications, it is increasingly easy to find people of influence and power.  And guess what, people die every day, like they have been doing so for many many years.

[Mr. Arkadin]

Hi Mantayo,

Thanks for the definition of Soothsayer. I’ll just post the illustrious list of charlatans that fall under the category of Soothsayer - and there is nothing remotely resembling the “truth” concerning this cast of characters.

A soothsayer is a person who claims to speak sooth: specifically one who predicts the future based upon personal, political, spiritual, mental or religious beliefs rather than scientific facts.
Typically, soothsayers include:
Astrologers
Augurs
Clairvoyant
Practitioners of divination
Fortune tellers
Haruspices
Oracles
Prophets
Seer
Shamans
Hannigans

Superstition can be soothing; it attempts to give us a sense of control over life’s hardships and even that which is completely uncontrollable, but I’d prefer to have my palm read (with the prediction of me becoming rich in the near future) than listen to this biblical nonsense - the palm reader’s prediction of future wealth would be soothing to me in my current financial state.  

[Mantayo]

  Good Day to you Mr A ! What a list of rogues you have turned up there  And thank you for two words I had not come across before - haruspices and hannigans - delightful ! Care to join me for a cup of tea?

[Sunny]

Hey Tony,
I don't know why some prayers are answered and others aren't.

Thanks for the reply. 

The bible makes it pretty clear to me that jesus promised answered prayer.  There are quite a few scriptures that state that prayers will be answered.  It is even stated the prayers will be answered so that god will be glorified.  I looked into the context of the verses and the best I could find was that you have to abide in jesus in order for this promise of answered prayer to be granted.

I can only relate my story, which is I spent  30 years abiding in jesus.  Preached his message to those who would listen, taught it to my children, prayed fervently and intently and in many different ways.  For me, no answered prayer.  My conclusion is that jesus lied.

 

[katie]

Hey Tony.  I had the exact same experience as you.  I was an on fire, born again believer up until several months ago when I renounced my faith in the truth of the bible.  There are more lies in that book than just the promise of answered prayer.  I really don't understand how Christians can't see it now that I am out from under the veil.  It's like looking at an optical illusion.  Once you see the "trick" you cannot for the life of you "unsee" it.  There is wisdom for how to live in the bible, as with any holy book.  But to take it as the inerrant, inspired Word of God to me is lunacy and the ultimate act of denying your own God given ability to reason.  My big question for Christians (which NO ONE will answer) is under whose athority do you take that book to be the Word of God?  Who told you so?  Many try to claim the 2 Tim book about "all scripture is inspired..." yada yada yada.  But that letter from paul wasn't referring to itself or any of the New Testament (which for the most part had not even been written yet).  At that point it was just a letter from Paul, not scripture.  I don't get how or why we fall for such things, but most of us do at some point along the way.  I'd love to talk with you more about your deconversion because I'm going through it now.  Thanks for sharing!!

[tony]

Thanks for your comments Katie. 

I agree with what you said about how you can't unsee the trick now.  My view is that i'd like christians to be more honest about what their belief entails, honest in admitting that it requires far more faith than they say. 

If someone wants to believe and / or evangelize in christ, that is fine with me but I want them to admit that such belief cannot be based on evidence. 

The amazing and wonderful natural world that we have is not evidence of a creator, it is evidence of a wonderful, amazing and natural world.  And the more that scientists look into the evidence in the world, the more we see that the biblical story of the creation is a fable. 

I realize now that I don't have enough faith to be a christian any more.  To me it is sort of a funny twist on the way I used to pray along the lines of "I believe, please help me with my unbelief".

[tony]

And the more that scientists look into the evidence in the world, the more we see that the biblical story of the creation is a fable.

Fate...  If you are going to continue with defending the story of creation, explain how the bible, which claims to be always true, gets away with saying the earth was created before the sun.  The bible's story is laughable, so clearly wrong that you have to question it.

[Michael]

"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood."
"And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, not on the sea, nor on any tree."
Not happening.  Wind is created by the earths rotation.  Stop rotation, and we can all say goodbye.
I haven't seen anything remotely large enough to the North, South, West, or East that could stop the wind lately.  (Or ever for that matter)  The sun is still bright enough that I need sunglasses and the moon is still a bright white.

[tony]

four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth...

LOL.  Maybe those four angels are standing on the top of those elephants that hold up the flat earth. I guess elephants are large enough to stop a lot of wind.  Or generate a lot of wind.  ewww.

Sure sounds like someone was taking mind altering substances when those words were written.

[Weinlandtranscripted]

Zahyit removed 4 of his postings.

[PurpleHymnal]

Sakach did not remove his postings. I removed Sakach's postings because they were off-topic, evasive, and clearly apparent that he was only trolling the forum for potentially disillusioned Weinland followers. (The tip-off was Sakach's little trick of answering every question with another question; it's a sure-fire thought-reform technique that allows the self-professed "enlightened one" to appear both ethereal and superior at the same time --- exactly what a disillusioned Weinland follower might be looking to latch onto.)

I stated my reasons for my distrust of Sakach on the other thread. Sakach reminds me entirely too much of David Hoover (who has renamed himself David ben Ariel, and appears to have as advanced a case, if not a worse case of, Jerusalem Syndrome than even Sakach does).

Edited to add: Anyone has a problem with my removing Sakach's postings can bite me.

[Weinlandtranscripted]

This is interesting to note: Why does a person rename him or herself?  Some may say that a person is hiding something.  Sakach didn't use his name when publishing his book on prophecy.  A book on prophecy may interfer on future job promotions or even getting a job, or how others will view you as a person.  Zahyit means (olive tree) in Hebrew - Does this signify anything in the book of Revelation?  The TWO WITNESSES - The two olive trees/lamps. 

Zahyit wrote in his blog: http://www.innertech.com/blog/2007/10/11/end-times-part-5-the-righteous-the-blind-and-the-cults/

Timothy Sakach, Ph.D.

P.S. A couple more questions:

Who do people say I am?

Who do you say I am?

Travis responded by saying:

I have to ask, “Why are you concerned about what others are saying about you?” Are you doing the work of Elah in good faith, and out of love for those who could possibly benefit from your work? Or, do you have some other motive for doing this work? The answer is within you.

 

So you ask, “Who do you say I am?” And, I have to respond by saying, “If God shows me understanding from your work, then you would be merely the vehicle that was used for that end.” If one wants to be esteemed because of his works, then that is his reward; but, if your service is in God, then your reward is with God.

Zahyit responded by saying,

What others say about me isn’t the point of the question, is it? What I was looking for was the type of response that Jesus was looking for when he asked his disciples the same questions. The response revealed the lack of a spiritual relationship with the Father, when the others thought that he might be John the Baptist, or Elijah, or Jeremiah or one of the prophets or “merely the vehicle.

The disciples gave an answer that could only come from revelation from the Father, and it is upon that spiritual connection He declared He would build his “called-out ones.”

You say, “if your service is in God …” And by that you testify about that which you do not see.

Furthermore, Zahyit concludes by saying,

In this day and time anyone who claims to be a prophet or one of the two witnesses is considered a nut-case. As far as my personal understanding goes, my job is to guard His work and words, and to be an expert witness concerning the truth. I cannot do this by myself and without the true spiritual connection with my Family. I do nothing from myself, because without the Spirit, nothing can happen.

It appears that Zahyit wanted a response or a confirmation that he was a true witness or a true disciple of God.  What is an expert witness?

[tony]

As far as my personal understanding goes, my job is to guard His work and words, and to be an expert witness concerning the truth.

GADZOOKS!  Who does this person think they are?  Certainly sounds like an over inflated opinion of themselves.  Where is the humility, where is the humanity, where is the honesty?  Makes me want to barf!