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Southern David
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« on: August 31, 2008, 01:04:51 PM »

This site was posted on another board a while back.  I’ve just now got around to reading some of the info there.  Darrell W. Conder is a former minister in the WCG.  His first writings supported HWA’s doctrines.  He later rejected HWA’s teachings then rejected Christianity.  Personally, I don’t believe everything at his site but thought this might be an interesting site for some who has never read his latest material.

http://www.darrellwconder.com/loveofgod.html
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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2008, 01:52:02 PM »

ISTR Conder went back to bible-thumping, no?

Edit: Looks like I was thinking of someone else. Good site SD, thanks!
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2008, 02:50:27 AM »

Fascinating site.  I also skimmed over the article about Jehovah coming out of the closet...

http://www.darrellwconder.com/outofcloset.html

That was interesting to me because I've at times thought that if the mythical Jesus did indeed live, it is quite possible that he was homosexual.  Think about it, according to the bible he was perfect and did not sin.  Thus, the view often stated by christians that it is only a sin to act out homosexual feelings, the very Jesus may well have been a celibate homosexual.

I'd say the chances statistically are higher that he was heterosexual but nothing in the story / tale / requirements would preclude him from being a celibate homosexual.

Interesting thought, that, isn't it!
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2008, 08:52:35 AM »

I've at times thought that if the mythical Jesus did indeed live, it is quite possible that he was homosexual. 

Not according the Gospel of Philip, which states (in fairly explicit terms) that he was in a long-term, monogamous, and intimate relationship with Mary Magdalene. (Well, monogamous on the christological figure's part, at any rate). That view edges towards literalism though, which I try to avoid, at all costs. That's Dan Brown's take on the Gospel of Philip anyway. Which fact speaks for itself no? Roll Eyes

My opinion, WRT these verses from Gospel of Philip, is a more cohesive view: Earlier in the same gospel, Philip talks about how his sect of practicing Christians kissed each other on the mouth, in order to "breathe the holy spirit" into each other, and conceive a "divine spark". Since Philip also mentions the two-gendered (androgynous) version of the gnostic mythos' "aeons", we can probably fairly safely assume (though it is still an assumption) that the people participating in this "holy kiss" ritual would be one man and one woman, since some early Gnostic Christians believed the two halves of the soul, the "earthly" (physical) half, and the "divine" (wisdom/spirit) half were male and female, respectively, and the separation of the two was a result of the Demiurge creating "the prison-house of the world".

The text does bear up my interpretation however, especially with the later joke towards the end, of the christ figure joking with the disciples that if they don't like the way he carries on with the Magdalene, perhaps he should start kissing them.

In the context of the earlier assertion in the same gospel that the two sides of the soul are male and female, and viewed in light of the ritual of the "holy kiss", this is clearly (to me at least) an allegorical parable for the Christians to not follow/worship/idolize men. (I.e., self-professed popes, apostles, and prophets, which were abundant in the Middle East at the time the gospel was written.)

JMO.
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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2008, 09:11:38 AM »

Also, in response to Conder's article about the Demiurgic Yahweh copulating with the male "holy spirit" of the standard literalist Christian's "trinity", Gnostic Christianity always posited that the Holy Spirit/Wisdom/Sophia was female.

Thus in the Gnostic Gospels, we have one exasperated initiate complaining of the Isis/Marian cult that was on the rise in the Mediterranean: "How can a woman conceive of a woman??" In the Gnostics' worldview, the literalized conception of the christological figure was a bigger heresy than their own docetism/allegorical understanding of the texts in widespread use at the time.

In truth, the Marian theology maps almost exactly to the Egyptians' religious ceremonies and beliefs from the triune cult of Isis/Osiris/Horus, lifted almost whole cloth by the Nicene Council (or possibly even earlier) from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Coptic Egyptian churches did not even remove their idols of Isis holding Horus (the "black madonnas"), they merely repurposed them into Mary holding Jesus. The advent of literalism changed these statues from representations of an abstract idea, into records of an absolutely literal event that occurred. Which was where romanized Christianity birthed all of the problems inherent in the religion that we have today.
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