New Weinland Blog

[Poor Richard]

uncertain,

Your story makes it impossible for me to lurk.  It's so sad.  My heart goes out to your family.

Can I give you one piece of advice that I learned the hard way over many years?  It is better to know the words of the prophecy than to know their fulfillment.  That way, when you see it happening, you will be prepared and recognize it.  Ron counts on many people not knowing the words of the prophecy.  If they don't know the words, then he can toss in any fulfillment he wants.  I'm not saying don't keep your mind open, I'm just saying be careful what you let walk in through that open door.

[ByGraceIAm]

hi everyone i have been lurking on this blog for about a couple months and have posted 1 or 2 comments in that time, i still cant shake the feeling what if, just what if rons right.  i have been sitting and listening to saturdays sermon and it just increases my confusion.  i found out about him a couple months ago, he came across my attention about 2 weeks after my sister in law passed away. she was 32 years old with 2 young kids and had been battle brain cancer for about 14 years until the cancer got the better of her. it was a devestating experience for our family,not to even mention for her kids, so i got mad , how in the world could this happen to someone who in there last days, hours who couldnt talk, but for 2 words....PRAISE GOD., could just die.  so i know that ron came to my attention at a point in my life where i was questioning everything i have ever believed.. he made sense to me...maybe my sister in law was lucky she would not have to live through this.  i just dont know anymore this world is just crazy, or maybe i am... i guess what im trying to get across sometimes it might be good to be open minded because sooner or later Jesus is coming back, so whose to say we are not in that time.  I would rather be prepared for nothing than not be prepared for something. Thats not to say i believe in ron whole heartly because i have loads of doubts, but i am keeping an open mind. thanks

uncertain:

  I can certainly relate to you where you came across Ron Weinland at a point in your life where you are questioning everything you believe. That is exactly when I came across him too. Like you, at first he seemed to make some sense. I have read both his books, and have listened to sermons as well, only to become more confused all the time. I'm glad to hear that you have loads of doubts in regard to RW, because the more I have listened to him, the more I hear someone twisting and manipulating words. The prophecies in his book, 2008-God's Final Witness, continue to be unproven, unless you allow for his obviously "astonishing" ability to watch news and weather reports and try to convince people that is what he meant before they happened. Both you and I could make such prophecies after the fact, which is exactly what I see him doing in order to convince his following of his credibility.

  I once read somewhere that God is not the author of confusion, however, after reading his books and listening to his sermons, I can only come to an objective conclusion that Ronald Weinland is. I, like you, prefer to keep an open mind as well. However, I keep my mind open to God, and through Ronald Weinland, have learned to be very cautious of keeping my mind open to men who "claim" to be of God; to do so can be very spiritually damaging, as I have found out. Yes, this world is crazy, and it doesn't take a Ronald Weinland to point it out. I'm crazy, you're crazy, were all crazy and we all suffer from a spiritual sickness which I believe is caused by an over indulgence in self-interest. I personally believe there is a God, and that He is willing to work with "anyone" who turns to Him for help with a humble spirit. If you believe RW, then God isn't working with you, and will not work with you, because according to him the message I hear is that I am not worthy of God's love for being weak in my humaness.

  I have been exposed to Ronald Weinland, and his teachings to an extremely lesser degree than many others on this forum, yet have suffered from some significant emotional stress because of that exposure, coupled with my own spiritual infancy and vulnerability. I don't know if any of this helps you...but stay strong and open to God.

[uncertain]

thank you poor richard and by bygraceiam for your post...i have never been more confused in my life than when i read both rons books, i truthfully am not much of a church goer, thats not to say i dont believe in god because i do, i just never have been comfortable in church they confused me too....i have always been at peace with having my own personally relationship with god, i guess that works for me...ron gave me even more reason to stay away from church i guess, and also just added to my anger.. my sister in law and i were very close, best friends, her kids now dont have a mother that makes me mad they dont have a father he left when the cancer got worse, they have no one..beside thier grandparents and aunts and uncles...that makes me mad...so part of what ron has said gave me a reason to why this had happened, she wouldnt  have to go through a terrible time...poor reason i know, i think that is why i felt i needed to give him any credit, i think it will be good to go back to my personal relationship with god than to live in confusion... thanks

[nsj]

Here's something i've been wondering about.  He made such a big deal in his book about notable people dying...ie movie stars, sports stars, x-wcg ministers, etc.  That should have been one of the first things that happened, but it didn't.  Now we are moving on to a time when he says millions are going to die because of nuclear weapons.  How can these things run together?  Obviously he meant notable people would be dying as some kind of sign that he is who he says he is.  Another thing that didn't happen.

[Mike (Ekimks)]

He made such a big deal in his book about notable people dying

For some people who post on this forum, the lack of deaths to which you refer makes no difference.  Ron's proven himself a false prophet by even his own definition, and yet they're expecting his other predictions to come true.

[johnno]

I checked weinlands website and it doesnt show anymore interviews after the april 4th talksport interview. can someone post some interview links? ta

[teresa47]

uncertain, we know each other but i'm not going to say on here how.  Now i am in no way saying i believe everything RW say's, but  we do know that in his book 2008 which he wrote in 2006 states that all this would happen in 2008. He talks about having destruction, We can only assume Earthquakes, there have been lots of them. Tornado's (814) as of yet and even the experts say we dont usually get this many untill July 14th, Volcano's that are erupting when they have been dormant for hundreds of years, Bison dying around yellowstone and they have no answers, The Euro which he has spoke of in the book and what do you know they are now talking about the euro and yen on the news every day. Im not saying he has been correct on everything he has said, but you have to admit there's alot going on.any way i think i will just be like everyone else and be on the wait and see list, but in the meantime i will continue to put food and water and medical supplies back just in case, it does'nt hurt to have these things stocked anyway does it, but most of all i will first keep my faith and pray for guidence for my family and myself.

[teresa47]

Shadowsofwcg, I think you should go back to the scripture you quoted, Revelation 11, I have read it over and over again since RW's books and i have found no scripture there that states the witnesess were two men. Where did you find that?

[Mike (Ekimks)]

Teresa, if you read the NIV translation for Revelation 11: 6 it reads:

These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.

Other translations don't have the word "men".  Personally, I'm not a Greek scholar and would be willing to let Weinland slide on this point. Perhaps the 3rd person masculine form in the Greek language could include both men and women, but as I said I'm not a Greek scholar.  No matter.  There's plenty of other stuff to criticize him for -- his prophecies which have already failed to materialize.  For example, the first phase of the 5th thunder which according to "2008 - God's Final Witness" was to include the early  deaths of specific individuals, none of whom have died.  If you don't have an Armstrongite background, this may be without significance to you initially and you'd have to do some research to understand this.

He predicted the deaths of the following church leaders:
Living Church of God -- Roderick Meredith
Restored Church of God -- David Pack
Philadelphia Church of God -- Gerald Flurry
Church of the Great God -- John Ritenbaugh.

All of these individuals were to have died early in the 5th thunder,  well before the 7th seal opened on March 18th.  Yet none of these people have died.  Reread pages 107-108 of his book and do some Googling on these people.

Weinland in his book defined their deaths as a test as to whether or not he was a true prophet, and by his own test is defined as a false prophet.  If you go to his church web site he tries to explain this away by referring to the one sentence that describes the deaths of all other ministers prophesied to happen during the great tribulation which started April 17th.

Teresa, if it makes you feel more comfortable to prepare for calamity, I won't try to change that.  But don't stop living your life while you're doing that, and for certain don't send Weinland any money.  And don't waste your time listening to him.

[Sunny]

He also said "other" well known religious leaders and sports figures and entertainers...  He gave quite a list, but it did NOT occur as his prophetic book from 2006 stated it would happen.

[teresa47]

Hi Mike, I was only going with my Bible (The Holy Bible) Old and New King James Version. and Rev 11-6 states, These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their  prophecy; and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. I agree I havent heard of any of these men dying, but then i havent done any research on them either. I will have to go back to the book and read up on it again. as far as being prepared i dont see anything wrong with it, people stock up on food all the time, besides i've been paying attention to every thing going on around us and i'd rather be safe than sorry. I personally am going to give him until Pentacost?
And believe me i wont be sending him any money, Im a firm believer that my tithes has better use on those that need it.

[Mike (Ekimks)]

Teresa, again I've no quibble with the men part.  On the other hand I do about the turning water into blood part.  As in why haven't they done it yet?

[katie]

as far as being prepared i dont see anything wrong with it, people stock up on food all the time, besides i've been paying attention to every thing going on around us and i'd rather be safe than sorry.

Then, Teresa, I have bad news for you.  RW said himself that there was nothing that anyone could do to prepare for the destruction that is to come.  So, prepare if you want, but if you're listening to Ron, it's too late.

[Sunny]

So, prepare if you want, but if you're listening to Ron, it's too late.

If you are listening to Ron...get prepaired...  Pour a stiff drink!

[voiceoftruth1]

  We who have been called into the Remnant Body of Christ (Church of God PKG) by the Living God, through His Spirit, the One True, Self existent Eternal God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob (none of which,incidentally, were Jewish). We who worship God in spirit and in TRUTH are not judging God’s servants by outward appearance, nor by every word that has come out of R.W.’s mouth. How many of you have really considered the nature of a prophet? And of all these audio-clips you are using against his claims of being an end time prophet and Witness, did you hear the words “thus saith the Lord God” even once?
R.W. is a man and it is human nature to be defensive when the right buttons are pushed, to be anxious, and even to be doubtful at times. Does God’s call on his life make him invulnerable to human nature by divine fiat? Have you no concept of the degree of bravery it takes to speak out so boldly without any more assurance than your own convictions?
Think for a minute about Noah before you start into another character assassination and imagine having the conviction to build a large vessel in the middle of dry ground, while your neighbors, family, friends and enemies alike question your sanity, and not merely for a year, but more than a century before the flood was realized, and all the while having the reputation as being a drunk. All the time they mocked God’s servant they had no idea God was showing them mercy in delaying the flood for so long. Unfortunately, we all know the way the story ends, no one repented and was able to board the Ark save Noah and his family. Or Elijah, who risked his very life upon his conviction, when facing a multitude of enemies over the issue of who the true living God is, and by the SAME voice in the spirit of his mind, filled a trench full of water ,saturating a burnt offering to God, believing Almighty God would ignite it before all of their eyes, the multitude and the prophets of Baal! Have you considered the possibility that many of you could be setting yourselves up for the judgment that fell on those evil men? Because whether you like R.W.’s delivery or not, or whether you can see truth in it or not, when you mock God’s anointed, you mock God, Himself. Have you not read, ” God will not be mocked, for whatsoever a man sows that shall he also reap”? And “It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God”?
Proverbs makes it clear that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Do you not believe that God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble?
As for us “misguided souls” following blindly after a so called “cult leader”, let there be no mistake about it, we follow R.W. as he follows Christ and the Spirit of the Living God. We are now, and will always be of One mind, in one Spirit, in pursuit of one hope of our calling, that the very nature of God be formed in us. And, if one of us is deceived, we are all deceived and this is between the Eternal God and His Remnant. For, by God alone do we either stand or fall and He alone will empower us to stand.                                                                                                VOICEOFTRUTH1