Okay.. being serious now.... about end time predictions & Ron.

[PurpleHymnal]

I, too, would be interested in who exactly "released" these plans, to which members they were released (definitely not lay-members I would say this was "eyes-only" for the elders), and what exactly the reaction was, on the part of those "select few" who were told of these plans.

I also agree with Mike, from page 2. This plan should be implemented now. And by all accounts, Wrozeck is a Weinland wannabe, and should not be let anywhere near the reigns of power in the church, in my opinion. (Odds are good, from the reports I am hearing, that Wrozeck would set his own dates as well. If Weinland is a HWA mini-me, then Wrozeck is a Weinland mini-me.)

[CallieMae]

IW,

Yes this is very interesting.  I wonder how rich RW's bank account will be when he is no longer tied down to the church.  Or how much a severance pay he will receive when he "retires"?

I think I remember we had to make our tithe check out to HWA when I was in WCG years ago.  Do RW members make their tithe check out to him or to theChurch? 

[Mike (Ekimks)]

Ron said that his church is registered 501(c)(3) in one of his interviews but I couldn't find any registration, as I could for the Living Church of Rod.  It turns out that church's don't have to file an annual form 990 with the IRS, as do other types of non-profits.  A form 990 summarizes the financial picture of the organization.

So Ron could have skimmed off millions of $$, and as long as he reports it as income to the IRS, it's perfectly legal.  My understanding, but then again IANAL.

[w]

The check, money orders or whatever is sent to the church post office box not weinland. Of course, the daughter has handled most of the finances. The e-mail was not sent out to more than ten people, so not even all the elders know. (I wasn't supposed to receive the e-mail, so my identity is still hidden) A few lay people did receive the e-mail too.  Weinland & the others are still waiting on the 45 to 90 days to finish before moving forward.  If a major natural disaster or actual terror  event occurs before the middle of July 2008, then all bets are off.  Keep in mind these individuals actually do believe in the two books(including Weinland).

[CallieMae]

W,

How do peop write out their tithe check?  Does it say: Pay to the order of:   (RW or CoG-PKG).  Who is the actual checks written payable to?

[PurpleHymnal]

I believe I saw somewhere in the literature that the tithe checks are made out to the church. This would have to be the case, for all of the elders and evangelists they are bankrolling (who are probably still making far less than Weinland I would wager).

"w" I feel this information is important enough that I have reproduced it on the blog, here:

http://weinlandwatch.wordpress.com/2008/04/23/open-the-pod-bay-doors-hal-the-churchs-escape-clause/

If you take any exceptions to what I have said in response to what you have posted, you may respond in the comments there, or here, whichever is your choice. I do have one question for you though:

Do you believe the prophecies?

[w]

honestly, I don't know the reaction of anyone yet.  I wasn't supposed to receive the e-mail, but it was forwarded to me on purpose. Obviously, Weinland or Harrell is the one who sent out the e-mail to the select few(about ten).  This church continues on its current path because of the earthquake in the mid-west US, other recent natural disasters around the world, steep rising prices of gasoline etc., and continuing following US dollar.  These factors among other reasons keep the leadership believing in its current course. On a different subject, the checks or money orders are payable to the church of god-pkg or something close.

[w]

If Ron & Laura Weinland are the two witnesses & the prophecies written in the two books will either by proved or disproved by Pentecost(early June 2008).  Being one of the liberal members within cog-pkg I keep an open mind to the possibility, but my faith in God and the rest of my life do not depend on it being true.  I am giving Weinland more time because of the US earthquake, recent food riots in other countries, and sharp increase in gasoline prices among other issues.  If it is not true Weinland will step down in late July, but not before then.  No matter what the opinion of the bloggers on Ironwolf,  Weinland is not going to step down until proven wrong by the 45 to 90 day nuclear prophecy.

[PurpleHymnal]

Do you believe he will step down if proven wrong? Or will he attempt to spiritualize it away again?

And what explanation is the church offering (or what explanation can you as a church member give) for the lack of powerful Satanic influence of the RCC pontiff on 17th April?

[PurpleHymnal]

Being one of the liberal members within cog-pkg I keep an open mind to the possibility, but my faith in God and the rest of my life do not depend on it being true.

So why are you in the church? Because you believe that, if it does turn out to be true (when Weinland has already been proven false many times over),  you will be one of the 144K?

[CallieMae]

PH,

Do you know if RW is back in the good ole' USA?  

In a way, to me it seems like, from him saying this about if none of this comes to pass, that he is starting to get ready for whatever he is going to do next when everybody finds out the "Plain Truth" about him.  

Am I being too synical?  Sorry.

[Mike (Ekimks)]

W, how do you explain the lack of thunders before the Seventh Seal opened on March 18.  According to Weinland's book they were supposed to all be sounding loudly on and before that date.

Let's get specific: what about the deaths of specific people that were supposed to happen early on, such as Gerald Flurry and David Pack.  These were not included in the rank and file ministry to die during the great tribulation.

At this post on my blog (follow the link) I go through it word by word including Weinland's inadequate explanation in his sermon of March 29.

[PurpleHymnal]

These factors among other reasons keep the leadership believing in its current course.

Missed this the first time around. Do you really, sincerely think in all complete honesty, that the ministry is drinking Weinland's Kool-Aid?

If yes, church members may be in more danger than previously thought........

[PurpleHymnal]

So much for being a "liberal" member of the church.

Anyone else besides me think the information is being planted? Although I must admit, the info he gave about the elders turned out to be true (they were given charge of their local areas during the March elders' meeting).

[shadowsofwcg]

As mike stated, there are obvious statements written in 2008, God's Final Witness, that have been proven 100% false, as stated in both Mike's blog and my shadowsofwcg blog as well.

My question is, how is it the COG-PKG can allow Weinland to stay on as pastor/prophet when it is abundantly clear that already, a large portion of his prophetic announcements as written in 2008 GFW have failed? Ron is abundantly clear that it was those precise prophecies, AND their time-frames, that would prove him, by his own mouth, to be of God or not of God. It's important to note that he also clearly stated in a radio interview that what would prove him to be a prophet or a false prophet was "April 2008" - NOT June or July or the end of December, what have you. Not only that, he said this on the authority of Jesus Christ, as the beginning of the book stated it was "From God, Not me."

Why then is it that  these massive failings are not being addressed? If even *one* major prophecy written by a prophet who claims to be of God fails - then that prophecy is not of God. There is the waiting for the 45-90 days, but the time of waiting was in the time-frame of the THUNDERS, before the opening of the seventh seal. The world, according to the book, was supposed to be in shock and in horror on the day the seventh seal was opened, and it clearly was not. How is this justified? Why isn't action being taken now?

And about the earthquake. One earthquake is to a thunder as one raindrop is to Noah's ark. Ronald Weinland said in a radio interview when asked how Hurricane Katrina would compare to a thunder that the thunder would be two, three, maybe more Katrinas. much more disastrous then Katrina. (not an exact quote, it's on the WeinlandTranscripted site). One earthquake at 5.2 on a seismologically active fault line is a thunder? The danger I am worried about is that the COG-PKG is going to take every single little natural happening and translate it into a thunder! As you and I both know, if a thunder sounded, you and I would sure as you know what KNOW it was a thunder. Not a small midwest minor earthquake that did little more than minor inconveniences and smallest of injuries. But that's moot anyway because that was to happen before the seventh seal (p.111, GFW). Am I stating fact or making this up? It's all fact, my friend. Clearly, at the least, the COG-PKG should see that something here is very, very, very, VERY wrong.