Nothing has happened yet! We're Still In Seal Six!

[shadowsofwcg]

As posted on my blog:

"the timing hasnt been delayed, but the revelation of it has been"

The 144,000 have not been sealed yet.
The 1335 has not begun yet.
The 1260 has not begun yet.
The job of the two witnesses has not begun yet.
The first trumpet hasn't sounded yet.

In an absolutely stunning, but not surprising complete reversal of doctrinal teaching, Ronald Weinland has completely backed off all of his teachings of timings in the past. In today's sermon, Ronald has now stated publically that the 144,000 have not been sealed yet. He has also stated that the 1335 days have not begun yet either. He has also stated that his job, the job of the two witnesses - that has not begun yet either. This is not surprising - this is simply backing everything up in a huge way to fit the "50th new truth" he has been given - a "Jubilee truth".

In a message of complete and absolute reversal and statement that he says does not need to repent of understanding, Weinland has stated that the timing of the events has been off. Ronald stated that nothing will happen at the end of the 45 to 90 days - "period".

Ronald states he is excited and inspired by what is to come, and he says he will reveal a major message on the Feast of Trumpets, September 30, 2008. In doing so, he has urged all his followers to "adjust their thinking". His advice to his followers who might be mocked? "Suck it up."

He said in today's sermon that he could care less if people call him a false prophet. That doesn't concern him even in the least. And that should be the most concerning fact of all.

"If nothing happens in December will Ronald declare he's a false prophet? We'll just wait until December." "I'll leave that to God. God declares who is fault, who is true." If nothing happens in December? "We'll see in December."

Apparently, we haven't heard anything yet. Sadly, there are many out there who will still fall for this game and charade. All of this raises a ton of questions.

also,in another area of news,it must be reported that there will be no feast of Tabernacles this year as a huge organized 8 day event, Ronald says. "God's purpose for us is not to have a Feast of Tabernacles in 2008". But in their own areas? That's apparently up for debate. But if you go to another Feast Site, apparently, you're leaving the body as God hasn't "placed his name" in other dissident feast sites. The Feast will be like a passover or a pentecost meeting. All will keep the Feast in their own areas at the end of the Feast. So it will only be kept and observed for the Feast. At the beginning of the Feast, the High Day, a "commanded assembly", you go to church that Tuesday, mandatory. "you just won't be doing it in any special location". again, though, they will be coming together at the end of the Feast. Some, if they can afford it, can keep the weekly sabbath on the 5th Day of the Feast if they want to - and that will be made an option. So some areas will have 2 to 3 and 4 days at the most depending on personal finances, according to Weinland.

But if I heard him right in the sermon, the Weinlands themselves will be in New Zealand for the Feast. Nice they can afford a little family vacation on the dimes of members who gave their second tithe to the Weinlands, isn't it.

So bottom line? Forget everything you ever heard about April 17, the seventh seal, the tribulation, all of that. I guess now it's back to the sixth seal and thunders. That's the only way he can make it make sense. But it really shows that this man is speaking presumptously, and has no willingness to repent or ever even use the words "I was wrong".

He was wrong, and just like all other false prophets, this backing up of the clock means nothing in the grand scheme of this drama, as we shall see through time.

[PurpleHymnal]

But if I heard him right in the sermon, the Weinlands themselves will be in New Zealand for the Feast. Nice they can afford a little family vacation on the dimes of members who gave their second tithe to the Weinlands, isn't it.

According to one ex-member who commented on the blog, the Weinlands have a long-standing tradition of spending the holy days overseas. And by "spending the holy days" I mean SPENDING the holy days.

Weinland's getting desperate for the free publicity machine to kick back in, that's why he's kicking it all up a notch. I'm surprised you're going along with it J; you are playing right into his devious, psychopathic little hands, you know.

[Mike (Ekimks)]

Blogs critical of FPRW are not bringing him new fish.  But his Google Adwords are.

With my blog I was able to help unhook a fish this week.  Our publicity won't help him but can hurt him.

[shadowsofwcg]

People deserve to know what is going on, and I completely agree with Mike here.

Nothing we can do can bring in new people - but ANY source out there can can expose the ironic discrepencies of such a group MUST continue reporting on it, so the "new fish untainted with Armstrongsim" aren't led astray. I offer no apologies for reporting on this latest message.

Why? Because it shows how utterly strange, distorted, and shifty these teachings are. People deserve to know, and I will certainly not allow Weinland to be able to speak without a critic's view.

Enter Ron Weinland's name in Google and tell me what sites come up. You WW, COGWriter, and myself are on the first 2 search pages of the same google engine he has spent hundreds of thousands on - and I haven't paid a cent. Ironwolf comes up on page 4. Mike is coming up on the google index as well. No, It may be a free publicity machine, but it certainly isn't positive publicity, and I will absolutely do all I can to keep Shadows up on the first 2 pages of Google searches through reporting, and I would do the same with any COG event that is newsworthy.

[Sunny]

I listend today too.

Ron kept saying.... "Why bother us? Why?" 

Now I know why he wants you to quit.  Your pages are up there on top at Google too!  So it is something like "equal time"....

People can view his crap and then view the blogs "about his crap".

[PurpleHymnal]

WHAAAAAAAAT?! 

Last time I checked the search engine hits, I was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off in the wilderness of page 5 or something like that!

LOL that's too precious. Any wonder ILFPRW likes to say we're "getting stirred up out there".

Hmm. I must rethink my strategy, if the WW is coming up on the first page of search results........

[Mike (Ekimks)]

I've put up my take on ILFPRW's sermon today, which includes the following analysis:

> speculation on <
Reading between the lines and doing a little math here is my speculation as to the insane liar's new Plan B with a new timeline and new 50th truth:

    * September 30, 2008 is the Feast of Trumpets. It will also be the Day of the reSealing of the 144,000 (1335 days)
    * November 14, 2008 is the reOpening of the Seventh Seal (1290 days)
    * December 14, 2008 is the reSounding of the First Trumpet (1260 days)
    * May 27, 2012 is when Jesus returns -- on Pentecost.

So the 50th "Truth" will be a new understanding of the significance of Pentecost, making it the day of Christ's return. How convenient. The 50th Truth about the 50th Day. Between now and then look for Weinland to make frequent mention of Pentecost to lay the groundwork for this new "truth".

The Google Adwords will continue, perhaps with renewed urgency after September. And if I were one of the Armstrongite ministers prophesied to die in the First Phase of the Fifth Thunder, I'd watch my back, at least up 'til November 14th.

>> speculation off <<

[Weinlandtranscripted]

Hey folks,

The information that is quoted from Ekimks below is truly disturbing!

    "* September 30, 2008 is the Feast of Trumpets. It will also be the Day of the reSealing of the   144,000 (1335 days)
    * November 14, 2008 is the reOpening of the Seventh Seal (1290 days)
    * December 14, 2008 is the reSounding of the First Trumpet (1260 days)
    * May 27, 2012 is when Jesus returns -- on Pentecost."


This is truly interesting but at the same time disturbing, not because I believe Weinland, but because Zahyit (aka Tim Sakach) has been discussing this scenario for years.  He even wrote a book describing this type of timeline where Christ would return before Pentecost and not Trumpets.  He does not call himself one of the 2 end-time witnesses, but claims to be protecting God's Truth.  I am wondering if Weinland has read Zahyit's book, "PROPHECY UNSEALED," (it is an interesting read) because he now parallels what Zahyit has written about long ago.  Someone needs to be in touch with Zahyit and get his opinion.  I don't want to necessarily promote his book, but the parallels between Zahyit's work and Weinland is unprecedented.  Here is a link to Zahyit's website.

http://innertech.wordpress.com/2007/10/11/end-times-part-5-the-righteous-the-blind-and-the-cults/#comment-10931

[Sunny]

Well you can bet if Ron did read that book and takes some of Zahyit's teachings he won't give credit to Zahyit!  HWA took teachings from various sources, various religions and said the information was "revealed" to him by God....

[Weinlandtranscripted]

If Weinland is following Zayhit's work, and if people read what Zahyit's has written, then one could conclude or predict that Weinland's "50 Truth" is the changing of the Calendar from the Babylonian Calendar that they currently use to the Enochian Calendar.  Zahyit is big on the Enochian calendar and believes that it is the one true calendar that was used since the beginning of time, and was the calendar that Noah, Moses, Jesus and many of the other prophets used when calculating time, and finding the correct calculation of when the Holy Days and the weekly Sabbaths are to be observed.  According the Zahyit, Weinland, Armstrong, and many of the splinter groups have been observing the Sabbath and Holy Days on the wrong day of the week.
The information that I have presented at this point in time is speculative at best.  It is only a shot in the dark, because I do not know Weinland’s intentions, nor do I know what Weinland is preparing to give his flock as the “50th Truth.”  All I am saying is that it might be beneficial to get in touch with Zahyit and get his input and review some of his literature. 

[Mike (Ekimks)]

Whoa, hold on a second.

ILFPRW did not put out that timeline, at least not yet.  That is my speculation, based on reading between the lines of his sermon. 

If my speculated timeline does turn out to be what Weinland is thinking, I doubt that he consulted Zahyit.  The insane liar is desperate for an alternate plan, and those dates happen to fit within the numbers.   But now that he's been mentioned, maybe he'll work in Zahyit's theology, but as you mention without giving credit.

[PurpleHymnal]

He might work in your speculative timeline too Mike. He's clearly reaching for something, and you just may have given him that.

[Weinlandtranscripted]

On a side note, could you imagine Weinland addressing his congregation and providing sermons covering the book of Enoch and how it parallels the book of Revelation, considering that Weinland declared that he never read the book of Enoch in one of his interviews?  I sincerely hope he would not pursue this path for his followers, but it would be worth listening to his sermons.  Could you imagine Weinland telling all of his followers to go out and buy the book of Enoch, because the new doctrine that will be covered in future sermons is truly inspired by God?  I hope it doesn't go in this direction.

[PurpleHymnal]

Weinland is not going to work in the book of Enoch. After all his preaching about biblical inerrancy, that would drive the rest of the flock right out the door.

"Zahyit", according to a commenter on I Survived Armstrongism, is also an ex-member of the church (even though he denied it way back in February when someone posted the parallels between the two of them on the blog).

That prophecy bug, it just keeps biting those ex-Worldwiders, man! I tell you it's worse than malaria!

[Sunny]

Yeah, ONLY those exWCG'rs who have to HAVE ALL the answers and can't live by Faith alone.  People who need signs of prophetic events to "fully believe".... have "issues." 

The other exWCG'rs who look at prophetic events as a "side bar" to the reality in Christ, don't get all caught up...